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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261163 Archived-At: Dear Richard, I like the way toolbars are implemented in Gimp. One can remove the toolb= ar because it is set up in another frame. Similar to the speedbar. If emacs could d= o the same, the toolbar can be disabled and you would not have the problem of vertical= shifting. Alternatively, one could make the toolbar functionality appear as an addit= ional MenuItem that you could detach. By keeping two screens - one side emacs, the other= with the detached toolbar, a mouse clicking tool, and a virtual keyboard - one can mark quit= e well. The problem with all this is whether the trend is to get rid of toolbars a= ltogether. That's the real problem. If a way can be found that does not require the toolba= r to take space on the frame, it could make people who do not want it happy. The others c= an have the freedom to develop the toolbar or do work for others with it. I would be willing = to include it in my Behistun Package, although have not planned on it. Then send they code= for inclusion in emacs. But first one has to see how the emacs code on toolbars is appl= ied differently by the maintaners as they adapt to the many people that insist on not havi= ng the toolbar visible. Have not coded in GTK for a long time. Regards Christopher > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 at 6:41 AM > From: "Richard Stallman" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars > > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Would you like to implement more convenient customization of the > toolbar? > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) > > > >