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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308608 Archived-At: > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:02 PM > From: "Eli Zaretskii" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: rms@gnu.org, dmitry@gutov.dev, esr@thyrsus.com, luangruo@yahoo.com, = emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Shrinking the C core > > > From: Christopher Dimech > > Cc: Dmitry Gutov , esr@thyrsus.com, luangruo@yahoo.c= om, > > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 05:28:18 +0200 > > > > > The rate at whic we have added features already causes significant > > > instability. > > > > I concur. Have been suggesting to have a basic version of emacs that = would be considered > > complete and stable, while minimizing the risk of instability due to f= eature additions. > > > > Every project should have such aim and achieve it. Clearly, the core = requirements must > > be well defined, and the scope limited in terms of the essential featu= res to fulfill its > > primary purpose. Maintaining emacs for it to do everything could halt= its continued > > development structure. Especially if it cannot be reasonable handled = by a few people. > > This is exactly what I try to make happen. But I don't claim to have > it all figured out in the best manner Glad to hear. Although the comment was not a reprehension, other do have the different idea for emacs to do anything. > so if someone knows how to do > that better without averting contributors OT1H and without > complicating development even more OTOH, I invite you to step up and > become a (co-)maintainer, and then practice what you preach. There are already three co-maintainers, how many more are required exactly= ? And with a good number of others who one could consider as experts. My focus is engaged in practices within a distinct realm that is not being pursued by others, making your suggestion difficult to keep up. You decid= e to use what you want. What I can do is see if I can get others intereste= d, who could help you, if you want. Felicitations Kristinu