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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260733 Archived-At: > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 9:46 PM > From: "Stephen Leake" > To: "Tim Cross" > Cc: "Jean Louis" , thibaut.verron@gmail.com, "Stefan K= angas" , "Boruch Baum" , "Ema= cs developers" , "Stefan Monnier" , "Richard Stallman" > Subject: Re: non-gnu elpa issue tracking > > Tim Cross writes: > > > On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 00:50, Stefan Monnier > > wrote: > > > >> > The non-GNU ELPA is supposed to be a repository for packages which = are > >> GPL > >> > compliant and it is a reasonable expectation that those who make th= eir > >> > packages GPL compliant do so because they support the philosophical= goals > >> > of the FSF. > >> > >> The overwhelming majority of ELisp packages out there are hosted on > >> Github (that also applies to many GNU ELPA packages, many of them are > >> developed by long time contributors to Emacs), so I think the evidenc= e > >> shows the above expectation doesn't hold at all. > >> > > Maybe. However, it could also be a combination of the fact github was = the > > first free git hosting environment and is the better known one. Just > > because it is this way now doesn't mean it has to be. If the GNU/FSF > > doesn't take a clear position on this and do something to discourage t= he > > use of hosting environments that force the use of proprietary software= , > > this will not change and eventually all we will have are the proprieta= ry > > solutions. It may not have been the right decision to allow code which= has > > assigned copyright to the FSF to remain on Github. However, as non-GNU= ELPA > > is just getting started, now would be a good time to try and change > > things. > > +1. > > I think we should encourage people to move away from Github, for both > GNU and non-GNU ELPA. > > Given that many ELPA packages are now on Github, we could have a > transition policy, with enforceable deadlines (ie, remove package from > *GNU ELPA if still on gitub after deadline). However, I doubt that the > Emacs project is capable of such a thing, or that we want to be. > > So we are left with naming and shaming; in list-packages, show the > upstream repository along with the license and other info on a package, > and show unacceptable ones in red. That could still be a lot of effort > to categorize obscure hosts. I do not see how putting a copy on GitHub is an offence. We can discourag= e it, But removing packages from GNU ELPA if still on Github after deadline, is not the way forward. Removing free software from ELPA is a regressive mov= e that will not benefit Gnu in any way. > Disclaimer; my packages are hosted on Savannah, so any resolution of thi= s > will have no direct impact on me. > > -- > -- Stephe > >