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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261566 Archived-At: > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:56 AM > From: "Richard Stallman" > To: "Gregory Heytings" > Cc: dimech@gmx.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars > > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > Shitty data obtained without care, attention, and skill is useless= data. > > > Forget the weighting! > > > > > > As the saying goes: "Criticism is easy, and art is difficult." Coul= d you > > please create and conduct a "good" survey, according to your criteri= a of > > "good"? Or at least enlighten us, poor mortals, and explain what sh= ould > > have been done, and how? > > Please, everyone, let's discuss this without getting angry at each other= . > That is very important! We have to _work together_ to use the answers. > > The survey does not have a reprepresentative sample, but that doesn't > mean it is useless. I wouldn't attach significance to its precise > numbers, but even the rough quantities have something to teach us. > > For instance, we know that lots of users don't want the toolbars, > but a substantial fraction do not turn them off. > > If we want more precise figures, I've suggested how to get them. > But I contend that we can come up with approaches that will > to a good job for the various kinds of users we know exist, > without needing to know the precise size of each kind. > We need to be clever and try lots of options. Fully agree with that - doing a good job for the various kinds of users we know exist. > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) > > > >