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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322651 Archived-At: > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2024 at 6:32 AM > From: "Eli Zaretskii" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: yantar92@posteo.net, incal@dataswamp.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: as for Calc and the math library > > > From: Christopher Dimech > > Cc: Ihor Radchenko , incal@dataswamp.org, > > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2024 20:17:48 +0200 > > > > For good mathematical libraries, you require a practicing applied > > mathematician. A programmer is not enough. > > That's not true. A programmer experienced in numerical computations > is more than enough, because the relevant algorithms are known and > described in the literature, so there's no need to invent them. A mathematician can usually do better than the standard techniques. Some descriptions in the literature can be quite old and not so up to date. Most of the original fortran routines was not done by programmer= s.