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From: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Nicolas Martyanoff <nicolas@n16f.net>,
	arthur.miller@live.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: as for Calc and the math library
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2024 15:38:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <trinity-09c6d6d0-5c50-493a-9605-e287607dfca2-1723469886228@3c-app-mailcom-bs06> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86wmklho4m.fsf@gnu.org>



----- Kristof Đymek
Administrator General - Chilkat Design Build - Naiad Informatics - Gnu Project

Society has become too quick to pass judgement and declare someone
Persona Non-Grata, the most extreme form of censure a country can
bestow.

In a new era of destructive authoritarianism, I support Richard
Stallman.  Times of great crisis are also times of great
opportunity.  I call upon you to make this struggle yours as well !

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> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2024 at 1:22 AM
> From: "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>
> To: "Nicolas Martyanoff" <nicolas@n16f.net>
> Cc: arthur.miller@live.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: as for Calc and the math library
>
> > From: Nicolas Martyanoff <nicolas@n16f.net>
> > Cc: Nicolas Martyanoff <nicolas@n16f.net>,  arthur.miller@live.com,
> >   emacs-devel@gnu.org
> > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2024 14:11:07 +0200
> > 
> > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> > 
> > > We made the effort to allow loading dynamic modules precisely for this
> > > reason: to allow free libraries to be used, but not non-free ones.
> > 
> > You absolutely can use non-free dynamic modules: enforcing the existence
> > of a symbol saying "I promise I'm free" does not change anything. One
> > could also easily add a free dynamic module that calls non-free
> > libraries.
> 
> The need to declare that a library is free and have its sources freely
> available does serve as an obstacle for non-free software.  And using
> non-free library with a free module is against the GPL, so it is
> illegal.  We cannot prevent people from lying and doing illegal
> things, we can only make it harder.

License terms do not prohibit the software's use, such a restriction would 
not be enforceable. 
 
> > It is sad to see Emacs being hamstrung and users being limited because
> > someone could do something that would have no impact whatsoever with the
> > project or any other user.
> 
> This is a sad world for more reasons than one, but discussing that is
> off-topic here.
 
What you can do is remove non-free software from free-software tools.
You are wasting time for no real returns.




  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-12 13:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-12  5:30 as for Calc and the math library arthur miller
2024-08-12 11:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-12 11:23   ` Nicolas Martyanoff
2024-08-12 11:46     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-12 12:11       ` Nicolas Martyanoff
2024-08-12 13:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-12 13:38           ` Christopher Dimech [this message]
2024-08-15  1:59             ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-15  3:06               ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-15  6:43                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-15 13:28                   ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-15 16:39                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-13  7:16           ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-08-13 12:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-13 13:10               ` Nicolas Martyanoff
2024-08-13 13:30                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-13 13:48                   ` Nicolas Martyanoff
2024-08-13 21:43               ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-08-14  5:09                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-14  8:45                   ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-08-14  9:56                     ` Nicolas Martyanoff
2024-08-14 10:43                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-13  5:39       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-08-14  4:11         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-08-14  6:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-14  6:28             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-08-14  6:43               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-14 14:00             ` Suhail Singh
2024-08-14 14:20               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-14 15:08                 ` Suhail Singh
2024-08-14 15:31                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-14 16:00                     ` Suhail Singh
2024-08-14 16:24                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-14 20:35                       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15  5:00                     ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-08-15  7:02                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-15 20:09                         ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-08-16  5:47                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-16  6:17                           ` we need *modularity* [last problem] (was: Re: as for Calc and the math library) Emanuel Berg
2024-08-16  9:35                             ` first-is (3 versions, Elisp hangup) (was: Re: we need *modularity* [last problem]) Emanuel Berg
2024-08-16  9:53                               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-16 10:57                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-18 16:38                           ` as for Calc and the math library Richard Stallman
2024-08-18 17:27                             ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-19 12:05                             ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-08-24  2:59                               ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-24  2:59                               ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-15  9:31                     ` Emacs ffi (was: Re: as for Calc and the math library) Andrea Corallo
2024-08-15  9:43                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-15 20:32                         ` Emacs ffi Andrea Corallo
     [not found]                           ` <trinity-a24567af-9dc5-4e16-960c-c42d9759f282-1723755762558@3c-app-mailcom-bs05>
2024-08-16 20:07                             ` Andrea Corallo
2024-08-16 21:21                               ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-17  6:06                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-17  9:05                                   ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-17 10:53                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-17 13:21                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-08-17 14:30                                       ` Joel Reicher
2024-08-17 17:18                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-18  4:44                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-19 12:38                                         ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-08-17 15:36                                       ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-18  5:25                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-17 15:23                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-08-18 13:26                                 ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                                 ` <87h6birmfy.fsf@>
2024-08-19 16:57                                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-19 17:22                                     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-17  2:21                               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-14 14:35               ` as for Calc and the math library Gerd Möllmann
2024-08-14 14:40                 ` Nicolas Martyanoff
2024-08-14 14:47                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-08-14 14:49                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-14  5:29     ` Madhu
2024-08-14  6:06       ` [ffi] " Madhu
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-08-10 22:48 Emanuel Berg
2024-08-11  4:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-11 16:45   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-11 16:55     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-11 17:05     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-11 17:59     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-11 18:17       ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-11 18:32         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-11 19:53           ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-11 18:27       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-11 18:38         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-11 18:52         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-11 19:13           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-12  2:24             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-11 21:50           ` Christopher Dimech

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