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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261454 Archived-At: > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 at 10:21 PM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: "Eli Zaretskii" > Cc: dimech@gmx.com, abrochard@gmx.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars > > * Eli Zaretskii [2020-12-21 19:17]: > > > Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 10:04:53 +0300 > > > From: Jean Louis > > > Cc: abrochard@gmx.com, rms@gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support, emacs-devel@gn= u.org > > > > > > There are many volunteer organizations where people make a plan of > > > action. Volunteer or not, it is not related to planning. Especially = if > > > one wish to spare the time for developers it is better to have a > > > development plan. > > > > > > It could be a simple list of most important issues to be handled for > > > Emacs. > > > > > > When such list is published maybe more contributors could be drawn t= o > > > it. > > > > We have that: etc/TODO. But that isn't a "plan" in any reasonable > > sense of the word, it's just a list of useful features that we would > > like to have at some point. Sometimes, not very frequently, someone > > comes and actually takes up one of those jobs. > > > > But much more frequently, someone comes up with an implemented feature > > and submits it for inclusion, and we usually accept it. Since there's > > no way to plan that in advance, almost all of Emacs development moves > > by such submissions which no one planned in advance. > > > > Frequent contributors to Emacs probably have their own personal plans, > > and work according to them as their time permits. But these personal > > plans are almost never coordinated with anyone else. > > It works amazingly by willingness and contribution. > > I don't see how anything different from the above could ever work, as > > long as the project continues to be a loosely coupled group of people > > with very disparate interests. (I also see nothing wrong in how we do > > things, FWIW.) There lies the problem. The project cannot continue to be loosely coupled with very disparate interests. The major people involved should come toge= ther as a team. This means that they should spend some of their time looking a= t the other interests. There are several possibilities that can be used simultaneously 1. For every five aspects tackled, that same person helps another one on o= ne of his tasks. 2. Have two tasks where everyone helps tackling them. Might not be a very exciting proposition but it would help eradicate some serious difficulties we are experiencing. > What is in your opinion priority for Emacs?