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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322210 Archived-At: > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 7:20 PM > From: "Emanuel Berg" > To: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Adding a generic mathematical library > > Christopher Dimech wrote: > > >> It seems to me that writing a generic mathematical library > >> is not very hard, but writing a good one requires a lot of > >> experience and understanding of how suc a library could be > >> used. The obvious solutions are clunky, but what makes for > >> a good kibrary is a solution that is elegant. > > > > The distinction between a good library (easy to understand > > and maintain) and a merely functional one. How things are > > named, how parameters are structured, and how different > > components interact, is what determines its utility and > > adoption. We need to see an actual application with it. > > The distinction is between discussing things and pretending to > do so. > > Remember, this is not obvious to many, maybe most people. > > When they later realize they have taken part in a mock > discussion that didn't have a real purpose - they are not > going to respond well to that. How many mathematical libraries have you done for use by mathematicians and scientists ? If it was so easy, calc would have been great for you. And perhaps later, others will deride your implementation. Take what you can from comments. > -- > underground experts united > https://dataswamp.org/~incal > > >