From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Welsh Duggan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ELPA policy Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 09:41:53 -0500 Message-ID: References: <563ABD66.6070700@yandex.ru> <563AC64E.9060105@yandex.ru> <87twp0d2xp.fsf@md5i.com> <563B5E82.8070003@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1446736240 18667 80.91.229.3 (5 Nov 2015 15:10:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 05 16:10:33 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuMBM-0005YE-SK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 16:10:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32957 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuMBM-0005LL-FD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 10:10:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60907) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuLjk-0003t8-0d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 09:42:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuLjg-0004Aq-LC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 09:41:59 -0500 Original-Received: from upton.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.60]:59688) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuLjg-0004AW-El for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 09:41:56 -0500 Original-Received: from bucknell.indigo.cert.org (bucknell.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.121]) by upton.red.cert.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id tA5EfrBt011677; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:41:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cert.org; s=jthatj15xw2j; t=1446734513; bh=GSklRKy8ZHR9rt5vq55hvUaxboYmz8EZiDXmSrPrjbA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To; b=cg9f69ONJ+x4w3d/QDBkzm2hGiIGrert4Osm4KVYrPcUpzvmXr9bbiacoHhbXNmb3 ms4SIp1qgJu6dCNAHCLQhHG8Ok/vFDxZjeqJSOlyvCJ5+Q0XQUq5QVJ9EaHynChlUI lh8eq1Wc6Jh0M6a2nQWX4Wf3sEdQNfBWFUkpZPdU= Original-Received: from watermonitor.yellow.cert.org (watermonitor.yellow.cert.org [10.20.11.220]) by bucknell.indigo.cert.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/2.81) with ESMTP id tA5Efru1003527; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:41:53 -0500 Original-Received: from watermonitor.yellow.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by watermonitor.yellow.cert.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id tA5EfrjQ009856; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:41:53 -0500 Original-Received: (from mwd@localhost) by watermonitor.yellow.cert.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) id tA5Efr3t009853; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:41:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: watermonitor.yellow.cert.org: mwd set sender to mwd@cert.org using -f In-Reply-To: <563B5E82.8070003@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:49:54 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 192.88.209.60 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 10:10:18 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193304 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 11/05/2015 02:51 PM, Michael Welsh Duggan wrote: > >>> Why not consider ELPA a part of the "standard library", too? >> >> Because it is not. I have often had to use Emacs on computers that did >> not have access to an Internet connection. To consider something part >> of the "standard library," I believe you should have access to it when >> Emacs is installed. > > We do intend to bundle some packages from ELPA to be distributed with > Emacs releases. In this case, I can consider these part of a standard library. > Anyway, if you don't have Internet access, you also can't install any > package that depends on the library in question. Right? Not so. Packages can still be installed via sneakernet, and elisp can be written that wants to take advantage of a "standard library." I have no objection to ELPA in general. I just have an issue with the idea that all of ELPA (non-bundled) can be considered "standard." -- Michael Welsh Duggan (mwd@cert.org)