From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Eglen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CVS is the `released version' (ELL and the ohio lisp archive) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:32:50 +0100 Message-ID: References: <2cd46e7f0705101124r72000f78xdf05d18ca815ca57@mail.gmail.com> <17991.47259.210100.801472@localhost.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1179772853 17421 80.91.229.12 (21 May 2007 18:40:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:40:53 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 21 20:40:51 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HqCoM-0000uz-VE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 20:40:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HqCoM-0000TF-Gm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 14:40:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HqCnv-0008SI-Jw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 14:40:23 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HqCnu-0008RQ-WB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 14:40:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HqCnu-0008RH-Md for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 14:40:22 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HqCnu-0005SK-7h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 14:40:22 -0400 Original-Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HqCna-0006cT-Pu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 20:40:04 +0200 Original-Received: from notch.damtp.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.16.112]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 20:40:02 +0200 Original-Received: from S.J.Eglen by notch.damtp.cam.ac.uk with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 20:40:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: notch.damtp.cam.ac.uk User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.99 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:3TKe9Qz1yygEcuCewb+2wX+yBJA= X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:71540 Archived-At: Tom Tromey writes: > There's another way to address this 3rd party elisp problem: you could > do outreach to the authors and ask them to contribute to Emacs. ELL > and the Emacs Wiki have a long list of potential contributors. As an aside to this discussion -- I created the ELL (Emacs lisp list) ELL in September 1998, mostly because I was saddened to see that the ohio elisp archive had fell into disuse, and thought the ELL would be a quick fix to list files until another repository came along. Little did I think it would exist for more than a year or so, let alone close to nine years. I don't track how much it is used, but I hope it is still useful. However, I'd much rather see the return of something like the old lisp archive, and I think something that Tom is doing should be supported, since it would seem to essentially resurrect the archive concept in addition to being a package manager. (I personally probably wouldn't use it immediately as a package manager, but would appreciate just being able to browse the archive for code, ideas, etc.) If this system gets elisp code more visibility, then great, and I'd hope that eventually, if there is enough demand for certain pacakages, they could get into Emacs core. Stephen