From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Eichwalder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-z (Re: Two GTK related feature requests) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:01:10 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87oew8so3g.fsf@cs.cmu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1067411667 14468 80.91.224.253 (29 Oct 2003 07:14:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:14:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 29 08:14:25 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AEkXB-0002YY-00 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:14:25 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AEkXA-0005VJ-00 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:14:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AEkSX-0004Xo-LU for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:09:37 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AEkQF-0003SL-O5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:07:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AEkPh-0003F0-Vz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:07:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [193.175.24.41] (helo=elvis.franken.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.24) id 1AEkPh-0003Em-Dd; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:06:41 -0500 Original-Received: from uucp by elvis.franken.de with local-rmail (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AEkPf-0005MG-00; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:06:39 +0100 Original-Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id C59BB924FE; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:01:10 +0100 (CET) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:39:30 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17537 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17537 Richard Stallman writes: > Basically I don't see any benefit in this change. If you want to > redefine it, as a prefix key or any other way, you can already do > that. Sure, but the current implementation will continue to confuse new users. Pressing C-z by accident makes Emacs disappear out of the blue. And there is now way to cancel this command using C-g. At least, please add something to ask the user for confirmation: "Do you really want to inconify Emacs? (y/n)" These days, only experts use Emacs without X; and experts will know that C-z is something special on the console. All hackers who speak up in this thread confirmed that they are using redefinition for C-z - thus ther must be something flawed with the current key binding ;) -- | ,__o | _-\_<, http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | (*)/'(*)