From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Eichwalder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Texinfo/info: scrolling images Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:41:03 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200301011944.h01Jim0U011400@stubby.bodenonline.com> <5xu1gpu4do.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <200301111950.h0BJomH04190@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1042490617 26314 80.91.224.249 (13 Jan 2003 20:43:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:43:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18YBQk-0006q7-00 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:43:34 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18YBYN-0004JG-00 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:51:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18YBRk-0000AC-04 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:44:36 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18YBRA-00085b-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:44:00 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18YBQt-0007lf-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:43:44 -0500 Original-Received: from elvis.franken.de ([193.175.24.41]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18YBQV-0007KH-00; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:43:19 -0500 Original-Received: from uucp by elvis.franken.de with local-rmail (Exim 3.36 #1) id 18YBQU-0001Rq-00; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:43:18 +0100 Original-Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id 56D10A43E4; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:41:04 +0100 (CET) Original-To: bob@gnu.org In-Reply-To: ("Robert J. Chassell"'s message of "Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:41:02 +0000 (UTC)") Original-Lines: 53 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:10710 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:10710 "Robert J. Chassell" writes: > Yes, the ASCII representations are often different. In the case of > music, I think you would want to use the `letter' notation that (if I > remember Lilypond rightly) users type in order to input information so > that Lilypond can create the nicely typeset output that it produces. Yes, but the goal is to describe and document how the TeX'ed version will look in the end; thus you want to say something as follows: Enter "e" "g" "e" and the score will look (that's my own invention--maybe, it's wrong): ---------- ---------- ---------- -----o---- ---o---o-- > Enhance info in a manner that it can hold alternative > representations of the same contents ... > > If you really mean Texinfo, this feature has existed for more than a > decade. What is wrong with the current feature? No, I mean the info format. Like HTML has ALT atributes and DocBook has that can hold an object in various formats, info can do something similar: On a graphical device it can display an _graphical_ image and -- when running Emacs/info within an xterm -- it can display the ASCII representation of the image. > If you mean to enhance the GNU Emacs Info reader to provide highly > typeset images for some viewers -- that is a good idea so long as > sighted, non-driving viewers do not write their documentation so that > it cannot be read by a blind person or over a very slow line (even > though I mostly enjoy a reasonably fast connection, sometimes it is > very, very slow). Yes, that's what I mean. > Info could be made more like W3M mode in Emacs 21. W3M is a Web > browsing mode in which you can toggle images on or off. Exactly :) Unfortunately, I cannot help with coding. -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*)