From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Eichwalder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.psgml.devel Subject: Re: Key sequence C-c C-f C-e uses invalid prefix characters Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:02:59 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <3DFE4E98.1080204@silmaril.ie> <200212162248.gBGMm2m00520@rum.cs.yale.edu> <3DFFC29E.4060100@silmaril.ie> <20030112040605.GA26128@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1042571444 13000 80.91.224.249 (14 Jan 2003 19:10:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:10:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18YWS9-0003MN-00 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 20:10:25 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18YWaE-0000aM-00 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 20:18:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18YWR8-0002Cd-07 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:09:22 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18YL8g-0004t3-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 02:05:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18YL8T-0004Vd-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 02:05:22 -0500 Original-Received: from elvis.franken.de ([193.175.24.41]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18YL84-00044O-00; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 02:04:56 -0500 Original-Received: from uucp by elvis.franken.de with local-rmail (Exim 3.36 #1) id 18YL7x-0000te-00; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:04:49 +0100 Original-Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id A8937A43E4; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:02:59 +0100 (CET) Original-To: Miles Bader In-Reply-To: <20030112040605.GA26128@gnu.org> (Miles Bader's message of "Sat, 11 Jan 2003 23:06:05 -0500") Original-Lines: 36 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:08:14 -0500 Original-cc: Stefan Monnier Original-cc: Peter Flynn Original-cc: no-spam@cua.dk Original-cc: lenst@lysator.liu.se Original-cc: rms@gnu.org Original-cc: psgml-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Original-cc: kevinr@ihs.com Original-cc: mvidner@suse.cz Original-cc: Pavel@Janik.cz X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:10725 gmane.emacs.psgml.devel:101 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:10725 Miles Bader writes: > On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 12:34:38AM +0000, Peter Flynn wrote: >> as a DTD is *required* by ISO 8859 for all processing. It's arguable whether editing a SGML file counts as "processing"; if Emacs/psgml or any other editor would actually check the .sgml file against the DTD at _all_ stages it would be impossible to open some file or to tag a "plain" test file ;-) > It doesn't matter what the `standard requires,' it matters what users > find convenient. Yes. > Think `graceful degradation' -- do the best you can, instead of pedantically > clinging to standards. Peter exaggerates :) IIRC, the standard makes some claims about a "conforming SGML system" and some such things -- but as long as you don't call Emacs/sgml-mode.el such a system there is nothing to worry aobut. > So when you can't get the SGML DTD, just pretend the file's XML, and you'll > get `sort of reasonable' results. It's not `correct,' but it's probably > still useful, and sounds pretty easy to me*... Better do it the other way around -- never ever pretend something is XML if you don't know it for sure. -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*)