From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Eichwalder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-l while in menu? Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:22:11 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200204072343.g37NhIC20114@aztec.santafe.edu> <200204201727.g3KHRD401381@aztec.santafe.edu> <200204220746.g3M7kvY01878@aztec.santafe.edu> <200204220928.g3M9S9H32293@rum.cs.yale.edu> <3CC40A74.5040600@666.com> <200204231930.g3NJUvJ02796@aztec.santafe.edu> Reply-To: Karl Eichwalder NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019620459 32294 127.0.0.1 (24 Apr 2002 03:54:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier+gnu/emacs@RUM.cs.yale.edu, Pavel@janik.cz, gerd@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 170DrH-0008Ol-00 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 05:54:19 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 170Dsm-00070v-00 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 05:55:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 170DrC-0007ZF-00; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:54:14 -0400 Original-Received: from dns.franken.de ([193.175.24.33] helo=elvis.franken.de) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 170Dpa-0007RF-00; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:52:34 -0400 Original-Received: from uucp by elvis.franken.de with local-rmail (Exim 3.22 #1) id 170DpV-0002NH-00; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 05:52:29 +0200 Original-Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id 4F0D8A43E4; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:22:13 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <200204231930.g3NJUvJ02796@aztec.santafe.edu> (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:30:57 -0600 (MDT)") Original-Lines: 29 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3153 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3153 Richard Stallman writes: > I don't think that accelerators should ever shadow standard Emacs keys > such as M-f, M-e, M-b, M-t, M-h, and M-m by default in any X > configuration. Agreed in general. > [...] Perhaps M-Shift- characters should be the default menu > accelerators. No. No user will press two keys plus a letter to get a menu ;) To solve the question you have to take a decision first: do you want to provide menus for new users (new but already familiar with some sort of GUI) or for old users quite familiar with Emacs? New users will be more interested in possibility to access Menus with the key labeled Alt+letter and old Emacs users will not stand it to get lost of M-f etc. (they normally use the key labeled Alt as Meta). As long as the systems stays configurable (as sawfish, the window manager) I don't see a special problem; for Emacs 21.x you must not change the defaults, for Emacs 22.x things are different. -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*)