From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Eichwalder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Texinfo/info: scrolling images (Re: Gtk patch version 3, part 1) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 06:05:06 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200301011944.h01Jim0U011400@stubby.bodenonline.com> <5xu1gpu4do.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <200301111950.h0BJomH04190@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1042358603 22012 80.91.224.249 (12 Jan 2003 08:03:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 08:03:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Xd5W-0005iu-00 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:03:22 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18XdCP-0008JS-00 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:10:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18Xd5y-0004Fr-0B for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 03:03:50 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18Xd5g-0004A3-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 03:03:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18Xd5e-000472-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 03:03:31 -0500 Original-Received: from elvis.franken.de ([193.175.24.41]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18Xd5c-0003yy-00; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 03:03:28 -0500 Original-Received: from uucp by elvis.franken.de with local-rmail (Exim 3.36 #1) id 18Xd5a-0002Oo-00; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:03:26 +0100 Original-Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id 7ABDCA43E4; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 06:05:06 +0100 (CET) Original-To: bob@gnu.org In-Reply-To: ("Robert J. Chassell"'s message of "Sat, 11 Jan 2003 21:03:02 +0000 (UTC)") Original-Lines: 33 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:10684 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:10684 "Robert J. Chassell" writes: > The images are built from plain ASCII characters, of course, but they > are there. That's something different. lilypond authors want to document music scores and at times I want to talk about graphical interfaces (screenshots). ASCII representations of such images are a) different from the graphical ones and b) highly time consuming to "draw". At other places, scrolling images is also very important: I'd like to look at a scan and an OCRed text side by side, that's just 1 example. > If you drive a car, you are `situationally blind' and should not look > at images in a document, but only listen to it. I'm not a car driver anymore ;) OTOH, please note I don't ask you to drop a feature that helps blind users. Enhance info in a manner that it can hold alternative representations of the same contents (ASCII image, audio variant, graphical image). > People who have good vision and don't think if using their computers > in theirscars often think images are wonderful. The use too many of > them. And they design documents that don't hear well. Yes, point taken. I'm pretty sure it isn't that difficult to please _all_ the emacs users. -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*)