From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Eichwalder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: 21.2.90 pretest, 21.3, 21.4... Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 07:58:50 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1036568525 10568 80.91.224.249 (6 Nov 2002 07:42:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 189Kp7-0002kD-00 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 08:42:01 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 189KxV-0002hq-00 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 08:50:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 189KiS-0007Ea-00; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 02:35:08 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 189KSs-0003aL-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 02:19:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 189KSo-0003a2-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 02:19:01 -0500 Original-Received: from elvis.franken.de ([193.175.24.41]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 189KSm-0003YT-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 02:18:57 -0500 Original-Received: from uucp by elvis.franken.de with local-rmail (Exim 3.36 #1) id 189KSh-0004h1-00; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 08:18:51 +0100 Original-Received: by tux.gnu.franken.de (Postfix, from userid 270) id A768FA53E3; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:58:50 +0100 (CET) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:29:16 +0200 (IST)") Original-Lines: 49 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:9167 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:9167 Eli Zaretskii writes: > Sorry, I don't think I understand what do you mean by ``patch sets''. 1 patch or 1 patch set to fix something well defined that's said to be a bug; examples out of the blue: disabling fringes, enabling encoding unification, prevent crash on architecture 'foo', and the like. > AFAIK, Emacs has never released any patches (is there a project that > does?), Linux kernel hackers? > only tarballs of new versions where some problems are fixed Yes. My idea is to prepare those patches mainly for internal release management purposes (but it wouldn't hurd to make them available on alpha, too). Prepare pre-releases as usual, do testing. Now, when a serious problem with the already released version pops up, fix just this problem and release a fixed version immediately. Than apply the patch sets again and continues the usual pre-release testing cycle. Also, there are fixes that don't require extensive testing; either because they are trivial or because they could affect only a small fraction of users (does not compile on architecture 'bar'). I'd like to see released those fixes rather timely. Hope it's clear what I meant. If not, just forget about it ;-) > the directory on alpha.gnu where we put the pretests is no longer > secret or unreadable. I wasn't aware of this change, great! I recommend to announce things like this more publicly. PITA, that the gnu announce group is empty since ages -- as long as you (not you personally) don't fix the announce channels you don't have a right to complain about the lack of manpower. Others wihtin this thread already said: the more activity (useful releases) you will show to the user and hacker crowed the more you will attract helpful hands. Okay, talk is easy. -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*)