From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: icon-title-format vs. frame-title-format (Bug#61496) Date: Thu, 04 May 2023 12:38:22 +0800 Message-ID: References: <87bkj1ar9n.fsf@yahoo.com> <7e6334ce-c9a3-2c58-d263-fa962f0c2f7d@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1723"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tobias Bading Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 04 06:39:30 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1puQkc-0000H7-Cf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 04 May 2023 06:39:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1puQjt-0003mo-Ql; Thu, 04 May 2023 00:38:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1puQjs-0003mV-75 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2023 00:38:44 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic310-25.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.186.206]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1puQjm-0004ZB-7T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2023 00:38:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1683175114; bh=mn9fBZ59sPAQ97X/dT86m0yZJWcOCMH8Oy+2wJ5ZDPE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=qW1QCWiAZSKCKkLFY3nt0kdk4OkpOZB8xI+6W0ovbzdfP8/NOg+pU1cKoVZ2c4ZXBDl9IAyWfKSQT84jF/Wvvr5HO8d6SJD54B3xXQhRxqeIkcSol8VQN6vKtbHeV9phjIWE22di+IMbTIPrhfOoTlhN7FKMd0tddOAxHn1WMiGXWV/OJLgytbJTSXmfuHygvRw9jkd6o2wWGXOA1ekv92gA0I5JsgTOjtGdIzsNKSlDlNOFk+x+IviQHXaoYNuZACTWYFQCPLUqnK3nHpNlBq5fkrmnvqBFhZervJkF6JEFc1ncefU9vzj1tc+EC5brFIgV+sSQIrvnclEeIjvbQA== X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1683175114; bh=Lt6582ygYMEWNJEoXpe0XOwO5o35lgWebqoPS6VKDDi=; h=X-Sonic-MF:From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=UiNUIn5u189iwsuomxOL8ateXMpmRPosTr/5Y1OjVjJfysjBLJZOdyyhZ2fh7JQbw6AoE4PsADok/wlv4mD0W6MTVUiETUuE1YhNval/rqWqtUegKMHdDlRLGp9hyxhRppUp5r2jbK5ZDqp/SThEeZEYO9KQZ1Gowx18E2hHZZ3iIXN8uFrRsygv9VREhLXFYV6jNmILfC8wR227VggglWTGoQ1dPbvUOI9SdJ+KLjGVGKzKXAZhxYlUPZzHjEKSZijSJfdJk/e3lFDOJ6wBDW0crDTxyBTr2vUzzwwdbBqjRhKjRePpAIUHEk+apP0z/XcwCH+vy8cfPnCQvHHtog== X-YMail-OSG: jJJ6ABUVM1mrrgG2LerOwBF9Z5J9TYXGVgHwEg82zC36y9q6aCFiqh8lJvl4tt8 ul398_ygKQPK7ZvKJwKMfq1tnGNartb2yshADtYvN04IaC37fpkN_2.JSKmfdSH1KZDkT.olvX6W M7ypu9spPOTbOg5oH7rhzAZyJcDmk6d5ViBqslBsdCPYIqJQtY2izH8os3i.katARWHO7NRFwPb7 Nmi6TS7Zg6xSbthPYL.Jlo4WrdwzjbvJFA_Wn6luZskuZGaiLH.4SteSgb2RtRiDLH4mmh1fzKNp YLnvKuU4qVTtNvvuF4SVmoyV3UkM5AsD43KX5A66JpZj6mGuemSXJjA1v_46j4hdgIe5ZCIhupAT N.hYYaGo5flLSfYs1h1XSeOXegtE8eKcaREq1XPr.pa501BTmRRpP6yLfmSO2WRggQ.L43pWyTKj 48oH88x.C8PPYUKHBLyGnDrRINUN4k8jF1xwenicLYDIeR_I8JGNRVhzYAzK9N5QQhSLV37tiwi4 tRNISZAXpIG5KnGDdZJ356ORhbwgBnZgVjK0TgPildB9jrfD7ZiDwMQtMBy9M8JJbOSfj48wERCe Ct2Vkg8JxmFMB27nXkqzZE7t6CCFbbTapfUECs9x268gcmRdfnp64xhGZLrTYrEFoz1cXt6NbRjZ Y8G7NfD6qV5_aUExTk0T4pNy00jbsmEs1Eh5DZw1EhxANGUelJ5Zj0aXcU7lq48THEia89O7NBuT _bDQJ4wMl2tVI14shKqar7On3r3IU3cTGgotpy0DcgtqvYEuLHfJlVvE5mTpwKnsfYv9FkugkF5b Em4DrzymbA_z45A0p1p4wGkEq8gvtoCAtiHqgnvwwO X-Sonic-MF: X-Sonic-ID: c2c9f942-c98a-4ddf-b09c-ca0298add9f9 Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic310.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 4 May 2023 04:38:34 +0000 Original-Received: by hermes--production-sg3-6d6fb994f6-djl48 (Yahoo Inc. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305815 Archived-At: Tobias Bading writes: > On 04.05.23 02:12, Po Lu wrote: >>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The title of iconified or minimized frames is d= etermined by >>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> X does not use the term ``minimized''.=C2=A0 We prefer just >> ``iconified''. > > I=E2=80=99m afraid =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=9D includes me =E2=80=94 because I= =E2=80=99m old. So old in fact that I > (barely) remember mwm being able to turn top-level windows into icons > and back. Those were the days=E2=80=A6 ;-) > > But I don=E2=80=99t actually remember the last window manager I used that= used > this > feature. Might actually have been mwm. The last decade or so GNOME 2 > and > then MATE minimized my windows into the Window List panel applet. So I > can > see the window=E2=80=99s title changing when it is minimized or restored, > which is a > rather uncommon =E2=80=9Cfeature=E2=80=9D in this desktop environment. > > PS: there=E2=80=99s also =E2=80=9Cshaded=E2=80=9D these days=E2=80=A6 :-p These are all reported under the Iconic state, and as such that is the terminology we use in Emacs. So let's please not use the term "minimize". Thanks.