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From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, mark.lillibridge@hp.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs's handling of line numbers [from bug#5042]
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 19:52:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <s2qf7ccd24b1004181052r9a8ddd30neac4f0b285b23fd8@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83sk6sbre3.fsf@gnu.org>

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 19:29, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:

> If that's the problem, we could disable narrowing/widening in Info
> mode.

Surely there are legitimate reasons why a user would want to use
narrowing to show just part of an Info node.

> (I'm not saying we should, but if we decided to do so, it would
> be IMO a better solution than a whole new infrastructure with two
> kinds of restrictions.)

OK, don't think of it as two kinds of restrictions, but the current
restriction user interface, and an additional elisp API to treat parts
of a buffer as a "virtual buffer" or some such.

> Actually, it happens to be a feature (more accurately, a basis for a
> feature), both in Info and in Rmail.

It is that feature inequivocally linked to being implemented via narrowing?

> But you will never be able to disallow widening completely, because
> the primitives are not going to go away, and there's nothing to
> prevent a motivated individual from invoking them, even if they are
> non-interactive.

Of course. You can always shoot your own foot. That's no reason not to
provide adequate abstractions.

> IOW, I don't see how the suggested duplicity will solve enough of the
> problem to justify the added complexity.

I'm not sure, either. It's hard to say beforehand whether adding that
would be a waste of resources (sort of like frame-local variables), or
an enabling technology for some kind of problems... A priori, it seems
like Info and rmail and some other packages could benefit from it.

    Juanma




  reply	other threads:[~2010-04-18 17:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-15 18:47 Emacs's handling of line numbers [from bug#5042] Mark Lillibridge
     [not found] ` <jwvd4068dsr.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
2010-04-11 22:22   ` Mark Lillibridge
2010-04-12  2:27     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-17  1:57       ` Mark Lillibridge
2010-04-17  7:29         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-17 14:45           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-17 15:57             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-17 19:51               ` Mark Lillibridge
2010-04-17 21:04                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-17 21:17                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-04-17 21:31                     ` Drew Adams
2010-04-18 18:15                       ` widen-one-level [was: Emacs's handling of line numbers] Drew Adams
2010-04-18 21:31                         ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-19  0:25                           ` Drew Adams
2010-04-18 23:30                         ` Davis Herring
2010-04-19 19:57                           ` Richard Stallman
2010-04-19 20:22                             ` Drew Adams
2010-04-19 22:52                             ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-19  1:56                         ` Leo
2010-04-19  2:04                           ` Drew Adams
2010-04-19 11:34                             ` Leo
2010-04-19 16:31                             ` Drew Adams
2010-04-19 17:57                               ` Leo
2010-04-19 22:56                                 ` Drew Adams
2010-04-22  9:59                                   ` Leo
2010-04-18  3:12                     ` Emacs's handling of line numbers [from bug#5042] Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-18  3:49                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-04-18  8:05                         ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-18 13:44                           ` Drew Adams
2010-04-18 13:50                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-04-18 16:40                               ` Drew Adams
2010-04-18 14:03                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-04-18 14:14                               ` David Kastrup
2010-04-18 16:41                               ` Drew Adams
2010-04-18 17:03                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-04-18 21:29                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-18 13:45                           ` Drew Adams
2010-04-18 17:29                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-18 17:52                           ` Juanma Barranquero [this message]
2010-04-18 17:56                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-18 17:00                       ` Mark Lillibridge
2010-04-18 17:38                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-04-18 18:11                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-04-22  2:17                           ` Mark Lillibridge
2010-04-22  8:06                             ` David Kastrup
2010-04-22  8:38                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-04-22  8:45                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-06 18:18                             ` Mark Lillibridge
2010-06-07  1:30                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-07  1:41                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-07 13:45                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-09  2:20                                     ` Mark Lillibridge
2010-06-09  3:44                                       ` Miles Bader
2010-06-09  2:19                                 ` Mark Lillibridge
2010-06-09  6:37                                   ` Glenn Morris
2010-06-24  2:24                                     ` Mark Lillibridge

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