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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID ab088a65bdd55a8a522deb2017bb4e3f; Sat, 02 Sep 2023 14:15:40 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sat, 2 Sep 2023 16:06:11 +0200") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21763 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.188.147; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic303-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309892 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > The problem is that it doesn't happen as often as we hope. There is > also a survivor bias to take into account when people do write here. > My conclusion is that, if we want to form an accurate picture of the > sentiments in the wider Emacs community, we have no choice but to pay > attention to what people are saying in other forums too. That's not the problem here. Instead, the issue is people are grounding their recommendations for Emacs on what is at best circumstantial evidence for the existence of large quanitities of Emacs users satisfying a litany of very specific criteria, which I recounted earlier in this godforsaken thread...