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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:313074 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > Polling professional C developers on whether they are comfortable with > advanced syntax inspired by high-level languages like ML or Haskell is > pretty much a self-fulfilling prophecy. > > Ask a company of OCaml developers (we have at least one representative > of such among active contributors), or even a corpus of experienced > JavaScript developers, the results will be different. How many O'Caml developers are there? It's not plausible that they number greater than C developers (for that matter I don't think there's any O'Caml software on my computer). > Anyway, the results confirm what we've been aware of for some time: > that the documentation for pcase needs work. Jim Porter's list of > steps should help a lot. They substantiate in equal measure that pcase itself is ungainly to some Emacs users--some people here are loath to accept that, but the facts are what they are. Whether other Emacs users relish it is beside the point.