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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 2b6ac94d581de3418033f44c14460c85; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 00:09:12 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <6ba2afac-9960-86c7-23eb-83ede38cdb34@gutov.dev> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Mon, 28 Aug 2023 00:59:17 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21763 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.190.147; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic315-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309379 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 27/08/2023 16:42, Po Lu wrote: >> Dmitry Gutov writes: >> >>> Those could just be using Debbugs, no? >> Of course, but not if the plans you propose come to fruition, in >> which >> case Debbugs will be supplanted in its entirety. > > I figured that sentence was related to the next one (about personal > emails). That got me puzzled. > > Anyway, to answer your question, it's possible to have an automatic > forwarding system (where there would be one account which creates all > reports that arrive at a certain address), but there would be no way > to get answers for follow-up questions. Looks like that's what the > discussion here arrived at as well: > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105629#c12 > > A possible alternative is if we'll have an Emacs package for > interacting with the bug tracker anyway, it could use (or ask for) > credentials, and when those are missing, try to help out with > registration and passing the send-email-click-confirmation loop. Not > 100% sure how stable such an implementation would be, but we could try > and see. That only satisfies one half of the problem; Emacs developers also expect a bug tracker that functions well with E-mail. It should be possible to open, close, and tag bugs from mail, and the bug tracker should propagate reference and In-Reply-To headers so that threading can continue to function. AFAIU when this subject was last visited, we arrived at the conclusion that no extant bug tracker except Debbugs provides such functionality. Debbugs also provides a lot of latitude to reporters, whereby they can tag or close bugs at will. This isn't afforded by the other major bug tracking systems in existence, and we can't predict how well such an approach will scale to them. Just another thing to contemplate, I suppose...