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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312743 Archived-At: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > If there's anything "frivolous" and "insular" here, it's this rococo > arguing of style matters, full of unfounded adjectivation, not even > comparing to any actual code or working alternatives. This is Lisp, it > has macros. Like C++ has templates. I use both when I think there is > an advantage. C programmers naturally don't like any of those, some > of them think the preprocessor is truly the chef's kiss. I don't > judge them, it's useless. In the other thread even the very idea of a > sequence processing library was aberrant to you. What can I say? > Just that it's not for me to judge, not even worth my time Of course, that's your choice. Up until it begins to affect _others_ who must read the code produced by such a choice, at which point their views become the last word. So use cl-lib if you want. Just keep it out of Emacs.