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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID ab6646f87932fe64357a1c1bf0656118; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 00:48:29 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Sun, 17 Dec 2023 22:21:05 +0200") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21952 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.191.206; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic312-25.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:313963 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > That implies that all Emacs users are aware of savehist-mode, and that > it won't ever get any new users. > > Pretty pessimistic. What's pessimistic is the depressing vision of a world in which Emacs users who want functionality cannot research which Emacs features might provide it, compelling us to enable everything under the sun that they might want, however few of them do.