From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dave Love Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: windows-1251 language environment Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:45:48 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200310032356.54476.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <200310060013.52049.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <200310070254.LAA11795@etlken.m17n.org> <20031007115609.GA32174@lml.bas.bg> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1065973776 10674 80.91.224.253 (12 Oct 2003 15:49:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: pogonyshev@gmx.net, jasonr@f2s.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 12 17:49:34 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A8iTO-0003iG-00 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:49:34 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A8iTN-0001zU-00 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:49:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A8iRu-0005M1-FJ for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:48:02 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1A8iQn-0004qj-Ch for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:46:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1A8iQ0-0004di-Og for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:46:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [148.79.80.39] (helo=albion.dl.ac.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A8iPm-0004a2-L4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:45:50 -0400 Original-Received: from fx by albion.dl.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A8iPk-0005cT-00; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:45:48 +0100 Original-To: Anton Zinoviev User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17043 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17043 Anton Zinoviev writes: > Bulgarians use two completely different keyboard layouts. > CP1251 is not similar to the others CP???? coding systems because it > is used extensively for several languages in the GNU systems. I don't understand this. As far as I know, the only significant difference between that and the other 125N charsets is that 1251 is used by the two GNU locales. Presumably the others are widely used for the languages they support. > The generic language environment for CP1251 should have a generic > input method (rather than Russian). I'm still unconvinced that there should be such a _language_ environment. > The TUTORIAL should not be presented in Russian as many people > outside the former SU do not know Russian. Actually, the environments named after a charset don't have tutorials. I think the tutorial is currently the only thing language-specific in language environments unless you count input methods which only make sense in specific languages. > The mails sent in this environment should not be encoded in koi8-r. I'm surprised that might happen if you prefer a different coding system, but I only know how Gnus Message mode works in detail. [I don't know why there are a separate Message and Sendmail modes...] Actually, how mail should be encoded isn't always clear cut. For instance, if you are replying to koi8-r mail, you could argue the reply should be in koi8-r even if you have preferred a different Cyrillic charset generally. By the way, I think the Bulgarian tutorial should be encoded in windows-1251. Only non-Bulgarians commented (negatively) on that as far as I know.