From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dave Love Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please consider emacs-unicode for pervasive changes Date: 25 Sep 2002 23:39:35 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1032993718 3904 127.0.0.1 (25 Sep 2002 22:41:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@is.elta.co.il, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17uKqy-00010c-00 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:41:56 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17uLYQ-0007gM-00 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 01:26:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uKqq-0008Qb-00; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:41:48 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17uKom-0007un-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:39:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17uKok-0007ub-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:39:39 -0400 Original-Received: from albion.dl.ac.uk ([148.79.80.39]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uKoi-0007uJ-00; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:39:36 -0400 Original-Received: from fx by albion.dl.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17uKoh-0004Vv-00; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:39:35 +0100 Original-To: rms@gnu.org Original-Lines: 28 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:8165 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:8165 Richard Stallman writes: > I agree. The change to Unicode will be big news and announced in many > ways. If it's something the user needs to care about modulo some things working better than before, it's a serious problem. I don't think there is such a problem. > For now, the question is whether this particular consequence is > inevitable. Is it something we must accept, or something we can > fix? We've already said that encoding currently not being the almost-exact inverse of decoding is something that will be fixed when someone gets round to it. I think people shouldn't worry about these issues unless they understand the current implementation enough to hack on it and get it to a state where users can test how it works in practice. > I don't think this is a serious problem. Things use > buffer-substring-no-properties when they are going to do computation > on the text, or use it as a command, etc. Programs that move text > around do not discard the text properties. That isn't generally true. I mentioned it because I've installed code like that myself in the past.