From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dave Love Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: problem of define-minor-mode while bootstrapping Date: 27 Sep 2002 15:09:44 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200209191320.WAA03733@etlken.m17n.org> <200209191346.g8JDkdq07175@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200209200006.JAA04300@etlken.m17n.org> <200209201838.g8KIc8t13414@rum.cs.yale.edu> <20020921020041.GA1545@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1033135879 3571 127.0.0.1 (27 Sep 2002 14:11:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: miles@gnu.org, monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu, handa@m17n.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17uvpu-0000vT-00 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:11:18 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17uwYA-0005IV-00 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:57:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uvq5-0000GR-00; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:11:29 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17uvoW-0008WA-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:09:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17uvoT-0008S7-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:09:51 -0400 Original-Received: from albion.dl.ac.uk ([148.79.80.39]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uvoQ-0008Qo-00; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:09:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fx by albion.dl.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17uvoP-00011j-00; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:09:45 +0100 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 43 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:8197 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:8197 Richard Stallman writes: > Would you please be more specific? I have no idea what that refers > to. The start of this conversation was a week or more ago, and I > don't remember it. What exactly is the RT that we can't D? What handa's complaining about -- just define the minor mode defaulting to on as far as I understand it. > > I don't see > a serious problem with such a change since I, for one, wasn't aware > there was such code and the minor mode doc explicitly says that > setting the variable doesn't take effect. > > Could you show me the specific documentation? Maybe it needs to be > fixed. E.g.: unify-8859-on-encoding-mode's value is t Documentation: Non-nil if Unify-8859-On-Encoding mode is enabled. See the command `unify-8859-on-encoding-mode' for a description of this minor-mode. | Setting this variable directly does not take effect; | use either M-x customize or the function `unify-8859-on-encoding-mode'. You can customize this variable. Defined in `ucs-tables'. No! > Could you explain more concretely what it is that you're thinking of > as a change in Emacs's state? Specifically minor modes being turned on, hooks being installed &c by loading files, e.g. via customize-group. > My memory is saying that this code was > designed to avoid an unwanted change in Emacs's state. I don't know what that refers to.