From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dave Love Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: windows-1251 language environment Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:10:28 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200310032356.54476.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <200310060013.52049.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <200310070254.LAA11795@etlken.m17n.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1067098603 18929 80.91.224.253 (25 Oct 2003 16:16:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:16:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: handa@m17n.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, jasonr@f2s.com, pogonyshev@gmx.net Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 25 18:16:39 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ADR5j-0003di-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:16:39 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ADR5j-0007HS-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:16:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADR1F-0003Ud-11 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:12:01 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1ADR0r-0003UW-N0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:11:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1ADR0K-0002s9-VO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:11:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [148.79.80.39] (helo=albion.dl.ac.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ADQzo-0002co-Pd; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:10:32 -0400 Original-Received: from fx by albion.dl.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ADQzk-0006fn-00; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:10:28 +0100 Original-To: rms@gnu.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17423 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17423 Richard Stallman writes: > 1. You specify the locale with an envvar. Emacs must provide > a way to do it with commands or user options. I'm not disagreeing. (I actually thought `set-locale-environment' was interactive, but I see it isn't.) > 2. It is ok to have a command or user option whose argument or value > is a locale name. But there should also be a command or user option > where you specify just the language, and other things default from > that to the extent possible. And that's what should be in the menus. The trouble with `language' environments is that they have little to do with the language per se. If you're not going by system defaults (locales), I think you want to provide orthogonal customization of language, codeset, and other features. If you lump them all together, you'll have probably four for each Western European language: latin-1, latin-9, windows-1252 and utf-8. Then multiply by two or three for the possible input methods. Then the calendar is different in territories with the same language...