From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dave Love Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Several serious problems Date: 30 Aug 2002 00:15:54 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200208190748.QAA14278@etlken.m17n.org> <200208291325.WAA03596@etlken.m17n.org> <200208291732.g7THWRU11411@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1030663045 702 127.0.0.1 (29 Aug 2002 23:17:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:17:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Kenichi Handa , keichwa@gmx.net, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17kYXR-0000B6-00 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 01:17:21 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17kZ3w-000254-00 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 01:50:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17kYYp-0002de-00; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:18:47 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17kYWB-0002Vo-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:16:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17kYW9-0002T2-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:16:02 -0400 Original-Received: from albion.dl.ac.uk ([148.79.80.39]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17kYW7-0002Sk-00; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:15:59 -0400 Original-Received: from fx by albion.dl.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17kYW2-0001jY-00; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:15:54 +0100 Original-To: "Stefan Monnier" Original-Lines: 35 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:7135 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:7135 "Stefan Monnier" writes: > I think the only "problem" in RC is that latin-N chars cannot > be saved to utf-8. In that case, I wasted considerable time... I know, for instance, that people whinge that keyboard input doesn't conform to the buffer file coding system, and that other coding systems &c are needed -- windows-1252 probably most importantly. > > It doesn't contain latin-iso8859-[23...]. > > And it's correct as long as ucs-tables is not loaded. What handa showed isn't correct. The utf-8 coding system on the RC branch doesn't encode lao, for instance. > And since RC is "only bug-fixes" For some value of `bug fix'... > it's important that we don't make > any change outside of ucs-tables.el except for bug-fixes, so > we can't just change the safe-charsets property. I don't understand. Of course you can't just change safe-charsets -- it has to reflect what the coding system actually encodes. > On the trunk it's easier since we just changed the safe-charsets > property directly in utf-8.el and made sure that ucs-tables.el > is loaded when necessary. Last I looked, it was preloaded. I don't see why it shouldn't be, and it would have been designed to be if I hadn't had to write it just as an add-on initially.