From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Steinar Bang Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:33:17 +0200 Organization: Probably a good idea Message-ID: References: <83bnc7tavr.fsf@gnu.org> <5618C92A.3040207@yandex.ru> <83a8rrt9ag.fsf@gnu.org> <5618D376.1080700@yandex.ru> <831td3t62e.fsf@gnu.org> <5618E51D.4070800@yandex.ru> <83twpzrp05.fsf@gnu.org> <5618ED93.8000001@yandex.ru> <83lhbbrnn7.fsf@gnu.org> <56191EBE.5050404@yandex.ru> <83612essaw.fsf@gnu.org> <877fmuix68.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <8337xispn2.fsf@gnu.org> <56195055.6010409@gmx.at> <83r3l2r1nf.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3l0ndk2.fsf@gnu.org> <87mvvnapq5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444808092 9315 80.91.229.3 (14 Oct 2015 07:34:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 07:34:52 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 14 09:34:44 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZmGa9-0004ST-BM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:34:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40954 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZmGa8-0001UW-Jm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 03:34:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47934) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZmGZA-0008Iq-5N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 03:33:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZmGZ6-0001uT-5v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 03:33:40 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:59107) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZmGZ5-0001uJ-VU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 03:33:36 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZmGZ3-0003VA-QR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:33:33 +0200 Original-Received: from rainey.bang.priv.no ([212.110.185.190]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:33:33 +0200 Original-Received: from sb by rainey.bang.priv.no with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:33:33 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 23 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rainey.bang.priv.no Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/24.4 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:HK66CBaXOU06cFbqdrAVipqMUEE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191529 Archived-At: >>>>> Richard Stallman : > This is true as a general statement, but in general I hope we can find > ways to integrate into Emacs the useful or appealing features of other > IDEs. Let's at least try to find a way to make them fit, before we > dismiss the idea. The IDE features I miss most in emacs, is: - Auto complete - Navigation (definition of symbol, usages of symbol) - Renaming support - Outline cut/copy/paste All of these features can be implemented in emacs without needing to support (or enforce) an IDE-like layout. What I don't like in other IDEs is the need to use a mouse to switch between buffers and change focus between IDE windows, and this is a place where emacs shines: I never _need_ to use the mouse My languages are currently Java and Python (the latter I use emacs for already. The former I use emacs for formatting cleanup, and commit, and large scale text subistitution