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Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>     Actually, if you ask the X Consortium then `X Windows' is not a proper
>     name for the `X Window System' (see X(1)).
>
> I suspect that pressure from Microsoft had to do with making them
> state that position.  So I think that by doing this we cater to
> Microsoft rather than to the real wishes of the X developers.

That was the official position of the X developers long before
Microsoft had any idea they would eventually produce a window system.

"It is a window system called X, not a system called X windows."