From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Per Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: UDP/DNS in Emacs Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:34:51 +0200 Organization: The Church of Emacs Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200203311640.g2VGecR10784@aztec.santafe.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1017751174 12999 127.0.0.1 (2 Apr 2002 12:39:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16sNZW-0003NX-00 for ; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:39:34 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16sNlA-0001gR-00 for ; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:51:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16sNZ2-0007AR-00; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 07:39:04 -0500 Original-Received: from sheridan.dina.kvl.dk ([130.225.40.227]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16sNWk-0006uO-00 for ; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 07:36:42 -0500 Original-Received: from ssv2.dina.kvl.dk (ssv2.dina.kvl.dk [130.225.40.226]) by sheridan.dina.kvl.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA01380; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:34:51 +0200 Original-Received: from abraham by ssv2.dina.kvl.dk with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16sNUx-0002mW-00; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:34:51 +0200 Original-To: Eli Zaretskii X-Face: +kRV2]2q}lixHkE{U)mY#+6]{AH=yN~S9@IFiOa@X6?GM|8MBp/ In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 31 Mar 2002 14:38:07 -0500") Original-Lines: 36 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.1 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:2316 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:2316 Eli Zaretskii writes: > My point is that basing this on the sender's ISP is a bad idea, one > that unduly discriminates people who don't have much choice but to use > whatever ISPs are available to them. It is their problem. Why should I suffer for it? My problem is that mail from certain ISP's are much more likely to be spam than mail from other ISP's. In fact, 95% of the mail I get which is not caught by one of my "whitelist" filters (i.e. mail from people I know, mail to "secret" adresses, or mail to mailingslists) are spam. The remaining mail go to either a mail.junk folder (if they matches my rather poor blacklist rules) I skim the summary monthly for potential non-spam, and maybe find one every third month. The rest go to a misc.misc folder I skim the summary daily for the occational non-spam (maybe there are one every other day), and junk the rest. Obviously a few non-spam messages gets junked as well. If Gnus can improve my blacklist rules, I will have to spend less time skimming the misc.misc folder, and junk less messages by accident. I do not see why "fairness" to people who believe they have no other choise than using an incompetent ISP should force me to lose relevant mail. > What does my ISP have got to do with the content of my messages? > Why should my mail get labeled as spam just because my ISP's server > happened to be caught red-handed by ORBS and its ilk at some point? ORBS is dead, and was in any case a database of current open relays. To get out of the database, all you had to close it. Open relayes was (and probably still is) the most efficient way for spammers to propagate their messages, and blocking based on open relays was (and probably still is) the most efficient way to block spam.