From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Per Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Eliminating "changed in Emacs outside of Customize" Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:57:55 +0100 Organization: The Church of Emacs Message-ID: References: <87lla8xdps.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1107331097 15480 80.91.229.2 (2 Feb 2005 07:58:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 02 08:58:16 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CwFOq-0008CV-Ce for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:58:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CwFbv-0003li-C3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:11:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1CwFbn-0003lZ-LW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:11:31 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1CwFbn-0003lG-6M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:11:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CwFbn-0003lD-3Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:11:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [130.225.40.227] (helo=sheridan.dina.kvl.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CwFOg-0007MT-1f; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:57:58 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sheridan.dina.kvl.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0B813EB0; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:57:57 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from sheridan.dina.kvl.dk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sheridan [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28216-10; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:57:55 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by sheridan.dina.kvl.dk (Postfix, from userid 304) id 429D913D56; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:57:55 +0100 (CET) Original-To: Stefan Monnier X-Face: +kRV2]2q}lixHkE{U)mY#+6]{AH=yN~S9@IFiOa@X6?GM|8MBp/ In-Reply-To: <87lla8xdps.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:04:52 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at dina.kvl.dk X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32751 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32751 Stefan Monnier writes: > Of course the above problem will only happen if the (setq-default > fill-column 42) happens to be executed after Helen's custom-set-variables > (e.g. in a mode-hook or in one of the many poorly written major modes that > happily mess up global variables). You got it exactly right. The "Changed outside customize" has been a great help for me to catch those hooks, setq's and poorly written major modes, and I think Emacs has improved because of it, by fixing the modes and rethinking the hooks. I can see there is a lot of followup mails. I don't have time for either discussion or design, so I'll skip them unread. If someone have specific questions, mail them to me directly.