From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Per Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: customize-style Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:49:21 +0100 Organization: The Church of Emacs Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20030317152226.E536@WINPC174> <200303190005.SAA20377@eel.dms.auburn.edu> <200303201839.MAA22086@eel.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1048236731 21756 80.91.224.249 (21 Mar 2003 08:52:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:52:11 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 21 09:52:09 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18wIG1-0005ee-00 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:52:09 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18wIHf-0006Iz-00 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:53:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18wIFB-0005H8-05 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 03:51:17 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18wIDs-0004n7-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 03:49:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18wIDY-0003is-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 03:49:37 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.224.249]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18wIDM-00031b-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 03:49:24 -0500 Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18wIDE-0005Wl-00 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:49:16 +0100 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: from news by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18wIDD-0005Wa-00 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:49:15 +0100 Original-Lines: 67 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org X-Face: +kRV2]2q}lixHkE{U)mY#+6]{AH=yN~S9@IFiOa@X6?GM|8MBp/ Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.1 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) Cancel-Lock: sha1:eLkvc7O4iXLB1v2acOG5M/72gow= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:12501 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:12501 Luc Teirlinck writes: > If Per, who wrote Custom, does not understand the purpose of > custom-local-buffer, how can we expect the average Custom user to > understand? I don't believe the variable currently serve any purpose. It was introduced by RMS in with this ChangeLog.7 entry: 1998-06-24 Richard Stallman * custom.el (custom-set-default): New function. (custom-set-variables): Use custom-set-default. (custom-local-buffer): New variable. (defcustom): Doc fix. I grepped for any corresponding UI in the source, but didn't found it. I did, however, found this ChangeLog.7 entry 1998-06-23 Richard Stallman * cus-edit.el (custom-buffer-create-internal): New optional arg LOCAL; set custom-local-buffer locally to that. (custom-buffer-create): New optional arg LOCAL. (customize-local-variables): New function. (custom-default-value): New function. (custom-variable-value-create): Use custom-default-value. (customize-set-variable): Use custom-set-default. (customize-save-variable): Likewise. (custom-variable-set, custom-variable-reset-standard): Likewise. (custom-variable-save, custom-variable-reset-saved): Likewise. My guess is that the UI was supposed to be the customize-local-variables function. The "customize-" prefix is reserved for UI commands. However, no such function is found in the source. Nor does custom-buffer-create have an optional LOCAL arg, or customize-set-variable use custom-set-default. The CVS log also shows that the above patch was not committed, at least not on the specified day: % cvs log cus-edit.el revision 1.79 date: 1998/07/02 22:29:15; author: rms; state: Exp; lines: +9 -9 (customize-changed-options): Clean up previous change. ---------------------------- revision 1.78 date: 1998/06/24 09:36:08; author: schwab; state: Exp; lines: +2 -2 (custom-magic-show): Use `other' widget type. ---------------------------- revision 1.77 date: 1998/06/22 01:59:13; author: done; state: Exp; lines: +28 -5 *** empty log message *** ---------------------------- revision 1.76 date: 1998/06/04 06:07:39; author: kwzh; state: Exp; lines: +1 -1 (customize-group-other-window): Fix previous change. In other words, custom-local-buffer is just a remaining fraction of a much larger patch that was never committed. I grepped my mail archives and googled, and found no references to customize-local-variables outside Emacs ChangeLogs. Unless we can somehow resurect the 1998-06-23 patch, I suggest the best course of action is to undo the 1998-06-24 patch.