From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Per Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: CC (was: Re: kill ring menu) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:22:13 +0200 Organization: The Church of Emacs Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <1020022891.27106.142.camel@space-ghost> <87k7qr18k7.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <1020055064.28798.320.camel@space-ghost> <871yczksra.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <1020058652.27106.353.camel@space-ghost> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1020072283 28927 127.0.0.1 (29 Apr 2002 09:24:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 1727Ol-0007WS-00 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:24:43 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1727SS-0000ld-00 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:28:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1727OR-0002S5-00; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 05:24:23 -0400 Original-Received: from sheridan.dina.kvl.dk ([130.225.40.227]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1727MP-0002K3-00 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 05:22:17 -0400 Original-Received: from zuse.dina.kvl.dk (zuse.dina.kvl.dk [130.225.40.245]) by sheridan.dina.kvl.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA30429 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:22:15 +0200 Original-Received: (from abraham@localhost) by zuse.dina.kvl.dk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id LAA05747; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:22:14 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: zuse.dina.kvl.dk: abraham set sender to abraham@dina.kvl.dk using -f Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Face: +kRV2]2q}lixHkE{U)mY#+6]{AH=yN~S9@IFiOa@X6?GM|8MBp/ In-Reply-To: <1020058652.27106.353.camel@space-ghost> (Colin Walters's message of "29 Apr 2002 01:37:32 -0400") Original-Lines: 43 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.1 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3391 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3391 Colin Walters writes: > When CC'ing, you are making an assumption that I filter my mail into > separate mailboxes, and that I don't read those lists constantly. Nope, we make the assumption that it is an open list where non-subscribers can send messages, and do not make the extra manual effort to remove the CC for people we believe are subscribing. > A more reasonable assumption to make is that someone who posts to a > list is subscribed to it. Almost all of us who participate in > regular discussion are subscribed, I'm sure. If someone posts who > *isn't* subscribed, then the onus is on *them* to say "Please CC > me". That way everyone else doesn't suffer just because a few lazy > people occasionally post to the list without being subscribed > outside. Nobody has to suffer, as it is trivial (depending on the agent) to 1) avoid getting the duplicates in the first place, and 2) filter out the duplicates if you get them and both can be fully automated. We can't really expect non-subscribers to know special rules for the mailing lists, or subscribers to remember who is and isn't subscribed, and manually add or remove those from the list. And none of that can be automated. > If I can't change this, then I just hope that a polite request at > the top of my messages will at least prevent me personally from > being CC'd. Please consider using Mail-Followups-To: list-name or Mail-Copies-To: never or both, which will make at least some mail clients avoid the CC automatically.