From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: quimby.gnus.org!not-for-mail From: Per Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: Save Options vs. default-input-method Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:34:41 +0100 Organization: The Church of Emacs Message-ID: References: <200201302237.g0UMb1d24844@aztec.santafe.edu> <200202040927.g149RUF02434@aztec.santafe.edu> <200202051248.g15CmDb02207@aztec.santafe.edu> <200202071457.g17EvBK04629@aztec.santafe.edu> <200202100517.g1A5Hoe06105@aztec.santafe.edu> <200202110209.g1B29mh06648@aztec.santafe.edu> <200202121523.g1CFNpo07307@aztec.santafe.edu> <200202140311.g1E3BRJ09026@aztec.santafe.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: quimby2.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: quimby2.netfonds.no 1013680064 28001 195.204.10.66 (14 Feb 2002 09:47:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby2.netfonds.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Feb 2002 09:47:44 GMT Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby2.netfonds.no with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16bIUR-0007HX-00 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:47:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16bIJE-0003Bu-00; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 04:36:08 -0500 Original-Received: from sheridan.dina.kvl.dk ([130.225.40.227]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16bIHr-00037z-00; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 04:34:44 -0500 Original-Received: from ssv2.dina.kvl.dk (ssv2.dina.kvl.dk [130.225.40.226]) by sheridan.dina.kvl.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA27944; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:34:41 +0100 Original-Received: from abraham by ssv2.dina.kvl.dk with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16bIHp-0004Kz-00; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:34:41 +0100 Original-To: rms@gnu.org X-Face: +kRV2]2q}lixHkE{U)mY#+6]{AH=yN~S9@IFiOa@X6?GM|8MBp/ In-Reply-To: <200202140311.g1E3BRJ09026@aztec.santafe.edu> (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:11:27 -0700 (MST)") Original-Lines: 35 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: quimby.gnus.org gmane.emacs.devel:1116 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:1116 Richard Stallman writes: > > Is there some reason we want this always to be saved? > > In general: If the standard value changes a lot, we might want to save > the option even if identical to the current standard value, as it > might not be identical to future standard values. > > Does that apply here? Do these standard values change a lot? I don't > see that they do. As far as I know, these defaults have never changed > since these features were first implemented. True for menu-bar-mode, but tool-bar-mode is nil if you start with "-nw". > > What precisely would go wrong if you make t the standard value? > > Even when there isn't any tool bar? That might work, a user might > want to tell Emacs never to turn on the tool bar, but is not likely to > tell Emacs to always turn on the tool bar, even when Emacs would not > do it by default. > > As far as I know, Emacs always turns on the tool bar by default. > Or at least it tries to. On some terminals this does not succeed > because they cannot support the feature, but Emacs always tries > to have a tool bar. > > Am I mistaken? I don't think Emacs even enter the part of the code that turn on tool-bar-mode when you start it with -nw, but it doesn't matter. If setting standard-value unconditionally to t give the most useful behavior, we should do that. Will you give me an OK to change standard-value for menu-bar-mode and tool-bar-mode to t? _______________________________________________ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel