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From: Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: Save Options vs. default-input-method
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:34:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <rj4rkkwgni.fsf@ssv2.dina.kvl.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200202140311.g1E3BRJ09026@aztec.santafe.edu> (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:11:27 -0700 (MST)")

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>     > Is there some reason we want this always to be saved?  
>
>     In general: If the standard value changes a lot, we might want to save
>     the option even if identical to the current standard value, as it
>     might not be identical to future standard values.
>
> Does that apply here?  Do these standard values change a lot?  I don't
> see that they do.  As far as I know, these defaults have never changed
> since these features were first implemented.

True for menu-bar-mode, but tool-bar-mode is nil if you start with "-nw".

>     > What precisely would go wrong if you make t the standard value?
>
>     Even when there isn't any tool bar?  That might work, a user might
>     want to tell Emacs never to turn on the tool bar, but is not likely to
>     tell Emacs to always turn on the tool bar, even when Emacs would not
>     do it by default.
>
> As far as I know, Emacs always turns on the tool bar by default.
> Or at least it tries to.  On some terminals this does not succeed
> because they cannot support the feature, but Emacs always tries
> to have a tool bar.
>
> Am I mistaken?

I don't think Emacs even enter the part of the code that turn on
tool-bar-mode when you start it with -nw, but it doesn't matter.  If
setting standard-value unconditionally to t give the most useful
behavior, we should do that.

Will you give me an OK to change standard-value for menu-bar-mode and
tool-bar-mode to t?

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     [not found]         ` <rjbsf57anr.fsf@ssv2.dina.kvl.dk>
     [not found]           ` <200202051248.g15CmDb02207@aztec.santafe.edu>
     [not found]             ` <rju1svzxxx.fsf@ssv2.dina.kvl.dk>
2002-02-07 14:57               ` [PATCH] Re: Save Options vs. default-input-method Richard Stallman
2002-02-07 17:41                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-02-07 21:15                   ` Pavel Janík
2002-02-08  7:50                     ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-02-07 14:57               ` Richard Stallman
2002-02-07 16:50                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-02-08 23:23                   ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]               ` <rjpu3jzwyd.fsf_-_@ssv2.dina.kvl.dk>
2002-02-07 14:57                 ` [PATCH] text-mode-hook-identify should be part of the standard value for text-mode-hook Richard Stallman
2002-02-07 16:27                   ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-02-08 23:23                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-02-09 11:38                       ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-02-11  2:08                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-02-13 18:04                           ` ShengHuo ZHU
     [not found]               ` <rjlme7zwja.fsf@ssv2.dina.kvl.dk>
2002-02-07 14:57                 ` [PATCH] Re: Save Options vs. default-input-method Richard Stallman
2002-02-07 16:31                   ` Per Abrahamsen
     [not found]                     ` <200202100517.g1A5Hoe06105@aztec.santafe.edu>
     [not found]                       ` <rjlme17mhm.fsf@ssv2.dina.kvl.dk>
     [not found]                         ` <200202110209.g1B29mh06648@aztec.santafe.edu>
2002-02-11 17:15                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-02-12  9:56                             ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-02-13 15:38                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-02-12 15:23                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-02-12 16:39                               ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-02-12 15:23                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-02-12 16:24                               ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-02-14  3:11                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-02-14  9:34                                   ` Per Abrahamsen [this message]
2002-02-15 10:36                                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-02-17 10:31                                       ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-02-17 22:50                                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-02-19 10:31                                           ` Per Abrahamsen

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