From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: more on starttls, gnutls-cli and using tls for mail Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 03:08:30 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <20039.8838.116211.694328@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <8762m0n5qi.fsf@red-bean.com> <87ipq0k0q0.fsf@red-bean.com> <87fwl4nqu8.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1313543293 30390 80.91.229.12 (17 Aug 2011 01:08:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 01:08:13 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 17 03:08:06 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QtUc1-0002RD-MO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 03:08:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47878 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtUc0-0002w1-Sb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:08:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:37200) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtUbx-0002vw-P1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:08:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtUbw-0004iQ-JC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:08:01 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:45455) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QtUbw-0004iK-9C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:08:00 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QtUbv-0002PZ-0W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 03:07:59 +0200 Original-Received: from 85.183.18.158 ([85.183.18.158]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 03:07:59 +0200 Original-Received: from rileyrg by 85.183.18.158 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 03:07:59 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 22 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.183.18.158 Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:/6DN8WOe7GuyMNhoExnNnKFeClo= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:143340 Archived-At: Leo writes: > On 2011-08-16 00:25 +0800, Dimitri Fontaine wrote: >> I just now realize I'm doing the same thing here, but instead of >> changing things at the gnus level, I have gnus always connect to the >> smtp server at localhost, which will then find the right next relay. >> >> http://tapoueh.org/blog/2010/09/23-postfix-sender_dependent_relayhost_maps.html > > Thanks for that. There are other alternatives such as using msmtp. But > they are a nuisance because they require installing and configuring > another tool for something that Emacs is capable of doing. Also its not async. Much better to configure it at the postfix/exim level. > > The point is there is one key feature that has been accidentally deleted > during the rewrite of smtpmail. This thread is about whether and how > should we bring it back. Sender specific smtp auth credentials are a must as many people dont run their own mta.