From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Opportunistic STARTTLS in smtpmail.el Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 10:57:41 +0200 Organization: not if I can help it Message-ID: References: <874o5cfui5.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87liyndz5l.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87y61nnpoq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fwnuacc5.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878vtmo081.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87tycamhmv.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87pqmxvfoh.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sjrttwh8.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1307005103 21758 80.91.229.12 (2 Jun 2011 08:58:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:58:23 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 02 10:58:19 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QS3jP-0005mj-Kd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 10:58:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52940 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QS3jO-0007P7-DR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 04:58:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:53197) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QS3j3-0007OV-Tn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 04:57:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QS3j1-00017n-M2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 04:57:57 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:43910) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QS3j1-00017a-8z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 04:57:55 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QS3j0-0005cl-4i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 10:57:54 +0200 Original-Received: from lns-bzn-49f-81-56-191-143.adsl.proxad.net ([81.56.191.143]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 10:57:54 +0200 Original-Received: from rpluim by lns-bzn-49f-81-56-191-143.adsl.proxad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 10:57:54 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 19 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lns-bzn-49f-81-56-191-143.adsl.proxad.net Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (cygwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:NxtxKn9XAMtdnkv2Pl7G5GewTJ0= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140053 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> From my perspective the chief benefit is that any `auth-source-search' >> call against an unencrypted file will not require a passphrase until the >> password is actually needed, and yet the password will be stored >> securely. > > Sounds OK. But only if you push if further and deprecate > authinfo.gpg. I'm not clear on why you'd want that. I can imagine someone wanting to hide username & server identities from inspection, not just the associated passwords. ie I distinguish 3 cases 1) everything unencrypted 2) passwords encrypted only 3) everything encrypted Robert