From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Opportunistic STARTTLS in smtpmail.el Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 20:54:31 +0200 Organization: not if I can help it Message-ID: References: <87d3kal0za.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874o5mky4o.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8762ptue8r.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k4e8ucw3.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87liyofwxp.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874o5cfui5.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87liyndz5l.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1306781701 32101 80.91.229.12 (30 May 2011 18:55:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 18:55:01 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 30 20:54:58 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QR7c9-0006SF-BQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 May 2011 20:54:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44819 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QR7c9-0006go-1a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 May 2011 14:54:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:42260) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QR7c3-0006gb-Hw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2011 14:54:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QR7bz-00009s-KB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2011 14:54:51 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:53227) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QR7bz-00009n-DV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2011 14:54:47 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QR7bw-0006KE-Bu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 May 2011 20:54:44 +0200 Original-Received: from lns-bzn-49f-81-56-191-143.adsl.proxad.net ([81.56.191.143]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 30 May 2011 20:54:44 +0200 Original-Received: from rpluim by lns-bzn-49f-81-56-191-143.adsl.proxad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 30 May 2011 20:54:44 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 24 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lns-bzn-49f-81-56-191-143.adsl.proxad.net Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (cygwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Xa6tnAncEGfkW/oBJ+BQN+YTuOg= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:139907 Archived-At: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > Robert Pluim writes: > >> Where have you been whilst spam has been conquering the world? ;) > > I should have been on Hawaii... > >> I have access to 3 separate SMTP servers, all of which require >> authentication, and it has been normal in every company I've worked in >> for the last half decade at least. > > My ISP at home doesn't require auth for SMTP -- it's all IP based. So > is the work SMTP server... You Northern Europeans. So trusting... :) (or maybe my admins have been paranoid) Seriously, I think specifying the username/password for smtp access needs to be fairly painless, and potentially automatic: it's not going to decrease in use. I'd prefer it to stay in .authinfo if possible, forcing people to .authinfo.gpg is too much. Robert