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[24.4.174.65]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o16sm4203581pgl.58.2020.01.08.08.43.43 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 08 Jan 2020 08:43:43 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by raman-glaptop.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 13930) id 5C03FC20817; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 08:43:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87zhfg2i9b.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 25 Dec 2019 22:43:44 +0100") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::541 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:244131 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: 1+. Also the proposed "new" approach would require reinventing many wheels that emacs already has -- and as Lars points out, the already existing emacs means for doing this are already better. > >> Web browsers support the officially registered URI scheme 'about' >> to reveal internal state and built-in functions: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/About_URI_scheme >> >> There is one 'about' URI, namely 'about:protocols' >> already implemented in Emacs in lisp/url/url-about.el >> Then why not to support more 'about' URIs like: >> >> about:memory - with data returned from 'garbage-collect' >> about:processes >> about:timers >> about:buffers >> etc. > > Web browsers support this sort of thing because that's a nice ad-hoc way > to display data that you don't want to have in the menus. > > I don't see why Emacs should emulate that odd approach to hiding > information, especially since Emacs already has commands to display all > this data in a sensible manner. Like I said, `M-x list-timers' will > always be better (for the users) than dumping some data into HTML and > letting shr render it. --