Rudolf Adamkovič writes: For my own use case with Emacspeak, it was imperative that I be able to move around and read the transient buffer, see how I solved it in emacspeak here: https://github.com/tvraman/emacspeak/blob/master/lisp/emacspeak-transient.el#L183 Basically I advice transient--show-buffer to snapshot the updated transient buffer contents, and then display that when the transient is suspended. Note: I'm not advocating this as a mainstream solution, but more as an example of prototyping behavior that may be needed for more than just the emacspeak user. > This is useful, thank you! C-n/C-p and C-s/C-r solved. Selection with > C-SPC still does not work, e.g. one still cannot copy some text for a > bug report or personal notes. Further, and I forgot to mention this in > my original message, the new transient UI renders the help system, > such as the glorious C-h k, useless. Not being able to copy text or > describe all keys is not what I expect to see in the official parts of > vanilla Emacs. > > R+ > > "T.V Raman" writes: > >> Philip Kaludercic writes: I recently >> discovered thanks to the transient/magit author that once you >> enable navigation via arrows in transient popups, it also gives you >> isearch of the transient. We then discovered a bug where using >> isearch to find a transient option and pressing enter wasn't >> working, but Jonas has since fixed that and it works. >> transient-enable-popup-navigation is a variable defined in >> ‘transient.el’. Its value is t Original value was nil You can >> customize this variable. This variable was introduced, or its >> default value was changed, in version 0.2.0 of the transient >> package. Whether navigation commands are enabled in the transient >> popup. While a transient is active the transient popup buffer is not >> the current buffer, making it necessary to use dedicated commands to >> act on that buffer itself. If this non-nil, then the following >> features are available: - "" moves the cursor to the previous >> suffix. "" moves the cursor to the next suffix. "RET" >> invokes the suffix the cursor is on. - "" invokes the >> clicked on suffix. - "C-s" and "C-r" start isearch in the popup >> buffer. >>> Rudolf Adamkovič writes: >>>> Philip Kaludercic writes: >>>>> On the other hand something has always felt off about transient, >>>>> in the sense that it is breaking some expected behaviour or >>>>> couldn't pin-point yet, but just unconsciously stumble over. >>>> This is exactly how I feel about the "modern" interfaces in >>>> Emacs. I reported a bug in Embark recently, and because I could >>>> not select and copy the text, I ended up re-typing the text that >>>> was right in front of me in Emacs. Say what? For me, Emacs is a >>>> program where I expect to never waste time re-typing >>>> anything. Magit has a similar feel to it, and I can never be sure >>>> if the program will allow me to select text in the diverse parts >>>> of its user interface. In my opinion, such uncertainty is bad for >>>> power users. I would expect this from Apple or Microsoft software, >>>> because their latest “UX designers” surely know better than >>>> anyone, but in Emacs? >>> I am not sure if this is something specific to modern interfaces, >>> or rather an overreaching when it comes to binding. After a while I >>> managed to "pin-point" what was irritating me, and it was the >>> missing ability to search (something that I seem to do so passively >>> that i didn't even notice it). Having C-s work is especially useful >>> when there are a lot of transient options. This cannot be solved by >>> binding C-s manually, as just because that might work for me, there >>> is some other behaviour someone else is expecting (eg. your example >>> of selecting and copying text). What I understand transient and >>> certain other packages do is basically override most keys, even >>> those it doesn't use. This is more invasive than special-mode, that >>> just doesn't bind self-insert-command to most keys. What I wonder >>> is why this is done/why it might be necessary. >>>> R+ >> -- Thanks, --Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research) ♇ Id: >> kg:/m/0285kf1 🦮 -- Thanks, --Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research) ♈ Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 🦮