From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: raman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Casting as wide a net as possible Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 08:14:34 -0800 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1449850495 4254 80.91.229.3 (11 Dec 2015 16:14:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 16:14:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, John Yates To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 11 17:14:48 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a7QLH-0004DJ-HS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 17:14:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48331 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a7QLG-0000s2-PI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 11:14:46 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58048) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a7QLD-0000rh-HE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 11:14:44 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a7QLA-0008HP-9L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 11:14:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x231.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::231]:34292) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a7QLA-0008HF-3w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 11:14:40 -0500 Original-Received: by pacwq6 with SMTP id wq6so67414506pac.1 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 08:14:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=p3Gb7EBFNKhlCK+i5pxwariYWA389qt5/rUAmW4zyNw=; b=Wn0/+LywGzS3C7N3131VrVOryvAsxXy/c75XrcPNQze6ZI06qk8XOVA3RrnDW7LHk9 kEk7bHM1o6ExTonrUcAsRAp5mkfxI2cb3Zm/lfhsVGhgB144/OYlXBKc2+/EF42M8j8d jLn4mfG8+whGfTlpaehhi7nA5dZwQkmEyEQqVsukqfxnQ7HAP/u9jASPPowtHhvp04PP ZVranw8PfxzTCNl6n7TpWIeuFr7bbRAsY9EA3O1sPBM9KJtwXd8ZxrhiiIsQ6qI7qmj4 8r2SSaPH0auC0htLIiOgey79g6z8dWE4ML6ZE8FuLkNyIUpNgzVzyLmdYh87CP1jlEkb ss3Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=p3Gb7EBFNKhlCK+i5pxwariYWA389qt5/rUAmW4zyNw=; b=ejBnOBEHszVp+LXEH190AnXm/rD87tYUZ+PKeKR5GA9jhv5kwYV/Tq0ZyxL+KOcVAH Quy6xD6keVRZvaGBcleM5LXigT4R9gY68V4sLuL1yGlStPgXggDo1AyH2xI+5bBWnTvs WxQLUhxEgaKff39sojjzet6rkMwE3lJbqqvWD1XhkdE99lzHmLV9Yai7j94gJ5UrCF/Z h39z1i5uueL+wYB9va5YFX9C4TKZ+mjuaHZlwN7VgaR4cTE99e1LaUrs4qnrk18aPKmA 7NYOtYQA4GHPmgloiR48Ocn52eJkbdX/zlyp9amUfvhafHIHd/mYs4jqt3WxoyXaSXOd 7ZIQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl/9L2vgsxcUxY5ktHv5hpzYNy64n/QypTZFpm4IA8y09d0iWchYFWqXmFU98qaYvzbBkiTwJsRQ+JUA2bp/QI4IIhqEw== X-Received: by 10.66.142.232 with SMTP id rz8mr26285469pab.74.1449850479224; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 08:14:39 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from raman-glaptop2 ([207.198.105.24]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e20sm26124088pfb.1.2015.12.11.08.14.35 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 11 Dec 2015 08:14:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 11 Dec 2015 02:08:57 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:196120 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: well said! > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > My thought was that what Emacs needs before all else is more > > users. Period. > > We would like more people to use Emacs, but we should never think > that we _need_ more users. When developers of a free software package > think they _need_ more users, it is a lever that can be used > to push them into bad decisions. > > When some people use Emacs, they are getting benefit from our work. > We are glad it benefits them, we intended it to benefit users, and we > hope to make it benefit them more, but we don't _need_ them to be > pleased with our work. We're the ones who did them a favor -- not > vice versa. > > Likewise, when some people don't use Emacs, that's their loss, not our > loss. --