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[24.4.174.65]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a15sm15658172pgd.11.2022.02.20.10.06.06 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 20 Feb 2022 10:06:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8735kemjvb.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Sun, 20 Feb 2022 09:01:28 +0800") X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2607:f8b0:4864:20::102c (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::102c; envelope-from=raman@google.com; helo=mail-pj1-x102c.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -161 X-Spam_score: -16.2 X-Spam_bar: ---------------- X-Spam_report: (-16.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, ENV_AND_HDR_SPF_MATCH=-0.5, PDS_HP_HELO_NORDNS=0.659, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL=-7.5 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:286529 Archived-At: Thanks. Looking at the various options -- and boy are they bewilderingly many;-) it might time for emacs to take a step back and collectively come up with a couple of keyboard configurations for the GUI desktop, in a manner analogous to what was done for the console many, many years ago where eventually Linux came with emacs.kmap and emacs2.kmap -- I dont think end-users, or even specific distros or going to figure this out for emacs. This whole thread also reminded me of ibus -- whose landing on Ubuntu a few years ago broke C-SPC; I remembered only because I have a line in my .xsession that kills ibus if it running. --=20 Thanks, --Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research) =817=A94 Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 =950=DC8