Thanks. Looking at the various options -- and boy are they bewilderingly many;-) it might time for emacs to take a step back and collectively come up with a couple of keyboard configurations for the GUI desktop, in a manner analogous to what was done for the console many, many years ago where eventually Linux came with emacs.kmap and emacs2.kmap -- I dont think end-users, or even specific distros or going to figure this out for emacs. This whole thread also reminded me of ibus -- whose landing on Ubuntu a few years ago broke C-SPC; I remembered only because I have a line in my .xsession that kills ibus if it running. -- Thanks, --Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research) ♈ Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 🦮