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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:269879 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: This may or may not be related --- but I reported a few months ago that compiling emacspeak with make -j 4 resulted in unpredictable behavior -- I got rid of the parallel build and problems went away. 1. There were no warnings during the parallel build. 2. Things were "weird" in that some advice definitions were not active, reloading files fixed it. I decided to keep life simple at that point and got rid of the parallel build. > Glenn Morris [2021-05-23 19:52:08] wrote: >> Stefan Monnier wrote: >>>> There has been changes made in the past to fix some problems. >>>> I have a pending patch in bug#46502 (see below) which aims to fix some >>>> more of those problems, but still haven't heard confirmation that it >>>> helps. >> I did 10 builds with -j8; 5 without your patch and 5 with. >> The builds without your patch had changes in 12, 10, 9, 11 elc files. >> The builds with your patch had changes in 4, 4, 7, 4 elc files. > > Thanks for confirming what I was seeing. I pushed the patch to `master`. > >> Mostly tramp.elc, ox-odt.elc, ox.elc, cc-mode.elc; sometimes in >> eieio files. At least some of these seem to be https://debbugs.gnu.org/3= 4322 > > The mystery for those remains, > >> So it seems better in terms of less elc variation. >> It causes all tests in test/lisp/cedet/semantic-utest-ia.el to fail. > > I'm indeed looking at it, > > > Stefan > > --=20 Thanks, --Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research) =817=A94 Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 =950=DC8