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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:277448 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: Lars -- I agree in principle, but I think the details matter; let's rephrase as "We dont need to or even *shouldn't* plan to support *every* syntactic nuance used by kbd". Many of the weird corner cases that kbd supports --- likely mostly by accident --- will never be typed by users in their emacs configuration. > Richard Stallman writes: > >> If we are going to relegate the old syntax to "permanently deprecated" >> as I recommend, we can design a new syntax, whichever syntax we like. >> It doesn't have to use the function `kbd'. > > The syntax that `kbd' understands is the one that we're using to display > keystrokes in help texts and manuals, so inventing another syntax for > defining keys doesn't seem productive. --=20 Thanks, --Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research) =817=A94 Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 =950=DC8