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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255479 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: For what it's worth, I have C-x u undo-only C-x C-u undo-redo > [[[ To any = NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > There are two problems with C-?: > > * It requires two shift keys, so it is inconvenient. > (The bindings for undo ensure it can be typed with just one > shift key on all usual terminals.) > > * It does not exist at all on ttys. (I don't know whether we can > change that on Linux consoles.) > > Whether constitutes a problem for the undo-redo feature depends on the > precise meanings of the two commands. I don't know those details > so I can't judge. > > M-_ is likewise inconvenient because of the need for two shift keys. > > Defining these keys in addition to the existing binding for 'undo' > can't do direct harm. But it may disappoint the users you're trying > to help. --=20 =817=A94 Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 =950=DC8