From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "T.V Raman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: with-pgtk: C-; turns into plain ';' Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 19:16:58 -0800 Message-ID: References: <871r04zqbv.fsf@yahoo.com> <838ruc458z.fsf@gnu.org> <874k50xmye.fsf@yahoo.com> <835ypg449d.fsf@gnu.org> <87sfsj7k7x.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb18030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14979"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 16 04:18:20 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nKApg-0003fz-Cr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 04:18:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33352 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKApe-0002xl-Ox for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 22:18:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45644) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKAoT-0002GC-EF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 22:17:05 -0500 Original-Received: from [2607:f8b0:4864:20::52e] (port=34585 helo=mail-pg1-x52e.google.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKAoR-0007sw-D9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 22:17:05 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-x52e.google.com with SMTP id 139so967026pge.1 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 19:17:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JZsO90L6XcBVRXo6yPiQUypfp9wfVtPVh62YUFyUK0M=; b=olxLRWk2PkST92iZFFunK9Yj/Zhh907XmAlkfsZMSl7mab7agXpnURYXwqHrZltikW E+Nu9YnKBtpUmZ1BThHq2GY4iwjX4FSweCHLJUlX7z00RpIo5aejocRyvY/wluHxDUge t178lSTKED4+zoeDnXhDKASfCdi+8IW0uUP20xSz6iwzLdtn4lwb1vssucz/I8rrpjYS LWFdpuFak0wS8fWGa3FUe3kzg263p1Wj+ZKfyZXCMGdfZ4W6ytF/DIQTPyE7WuM16Auw q3ee0dwzUAcQU/icOh9Xsj+4+r8AxC29UWfdShHp+cIutHD80jDeI6oWCC3eM5Veu4vK RldQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JZsO90L6XcBVRXo6yPiQUypfp9wfVtPVh62YUFyUK0M=; b=KZ+zO8GDYIB8eob2JV8IOJ/cqglwrnpaLAUSl+M+vKvsxlosH7WIqtbgSAz2HNkBbR KczP3Hcl/W08QSo/5pEB83tcD/lL7kb1Jib707j4xa7TTjAmOeQDUMdR7IFjDYX59qNa vErC4YHo2H0FGzK+wnItyMU+/ypo+1NmkLd1MKJUPAwenaqfCfs2eQ3kR+Vzdygf2Evj HwANcoyEHs+sTEbhIsrpqhYIpdtXIzdsKsfWw4Unut26rfgBggu9pcKh8sh+qcF8leyZ ZI6qBerf3/6FIXg58NtdRI7STx5C361U06gSP3hPPhgj5SWZ4AYclT/IVKaxwZ39bXpj j2uw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5339wJgqigL5P/h0ReviUP6jOlx2g0eJhApi1Jwu4vuNnEkE7TjS SiN0rcAAgvOEm7jvGflkyryFBNYeIY3sTgp+ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxGyANIHGSVXpYUx0i77gsNHJVm7xeDqnXBsmpNcW29HQlzdw6pW0uj6uqdJQ4A84xd7ajAng== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:c90:b0:4bd:22a:bb1d with SMTP id a16-20020a056a000c9000b004bd022abb1dmr887963pfv.32.1644981421455; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 19:17:01 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from raman-glaptop (c-24-4-174-65.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [24.4.174.65]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z17sm3718734pgf.91.2022.02.15.19.17.00 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 15 Feb 2022 19:17:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87sfsj7k7x.fsf@gmail.com> (Tim Cross's message of "Wed, 16 Feb 2022 10:50:52 +1100") X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2607:f8b0:4864:20::52e (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::52e; envelope-from=raman@google.com; helo=mail-pg1-x52e.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -158 X-Spam_score: -15.9 X-Spam_bar: --------------- X-Spam_report: (-15.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, ENV_AND_HDR_SPF_MATCH=-0.5, PDS_HP_HELO_NORDNS=0.904, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL=-7.5 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:286362 Archived-At: Tim Cross writes: More importantly, that this difference only showed up recently makes me still want to call it a bug --- not a "Xis old and broken go away if it doesn't work" view-point. > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>> From: Po Lu >>> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, raman@google.com >>> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 21:45:45 +0800 >>>=20 >>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >>>=20 >>> > Should this be in NEWS (and perhaps also in PROBLEMS)? >>>=20 >>> The NEWS entry seems fine (it already mentions that it's for Wayland and >>> Broadway) >> >> IMNSHO, not explicitly enough: >> >> ** Emacs now supports being built with pure GTK. >> To use this option, make sure the GTK 3 and Cairo development files >> are installed, and configure Emacs with the option '--with-pgtk'. >> Unlike the default X and GTK build, the resulting Emacs binary will >> work on any underlying window system supported by GDK, such as >> Wayland and Broadway. >> >> No matter how many times I re-read this, I fail to understand that it >> tells me not to use it on X, and it definitely doesn't warn me of any >> downsides if I do. A word of warning is definitely in order there. > > Yes, I would agree.=20 > > This is likely going to be problematic. A number of GNU Linux distros > are now defaulting to Wayland (e.g. fedora) and others have flagged > tgheir intention to follow suit (Ubuntu, Debian).=20 > > Where this could become problematic is if distro maintainers don't > realise there are downsides with a pgtk build under X. In this > situation, they are likely to only bundle a pgtk and non-GUI versions > rather than a pgtk, X and non-GUI versions.=20 > > If we make the issues associated with pgtk, X and input methods > explicit, distributions which want to support wayland and X will be more > likely to include both wayland (pgtk) and X binary packages.=20 > > As distributions which do support wayland typically also make it easy to > select/switch desktop environments, it is probably also important users > are aware of the input method issues with pgtk under X as it means that > when they switch from wayland to X, they also need to know to switch > which build of Emacs they run. Failure to adequately communicate this > will likely result in numerous unresolvable bug reports.=20 > --=20 Thanks, --Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research) =817=A94 Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 =950=DC8