From: raman <raman@google.com>
To: John Yates <john@yates-sheets.org>
Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2017 17:04:20 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <p91inj2xypn.fsf@raman-glaptop2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJnXXohTZGj+x09pXVJiRHTDg05DhDk7df_tRQXzZJaWR0Cp-A@mail.gmail.com> (John Yates's message of "Sat, 8 Jul 2017 18:57:29 -0400")
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John Yates <john@yates-sheets.org> writes:
1+-- well said and well explained!> On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 1:42 PM, raman <raman@google.com> wrote:
>>
>> There are many things that Git lets you do that are at the power-user
>> end of the spectrum --- an
> d magit actually makes those doable, whereas
>> the git commandline would never encourage you to venture even close.
>
> I mentioned earlier in this thread that because Magit is so compelling I
> use it to induce susceptible colleagues to try emacs. Let me elaborate.
>
> I work at a company that is trying to up its software engineering
> practices. An important part of that effort is mandating code reviews.
> That alone though does not result in particularly useful reviews or
> feedback. The main obstacle is that developers work until a task is
> complete and then submit all of their changes as a single, overwhelming
> review request.
>
> There are developers within the company who are familiar with patch
> series culture as exemplified by the Gnu/Linux kernel. Others, though
> having no first hand experience, understand the ideas and acknowledge
> that offering code for review as a well groomed patch series would be
> a big improvement. The problem is that in the real world code never
> gets designed / authored / debugged such that it emerges naturally as
> an intelligible, coherent patch series. It takes real work to extract
> such a series. And of course most developers have absolutely no idea
> idea how they would go about turning a workspace or even a chaotic
> series of incremental commits into such a series.
>
> That is where Magit shines. It allows one to move arbitrary chunks
> of code forward and back among a sequence of commits. As such it
> gives a developer a concrete visualization of the emerging commits
> and their contents. Nor is one restricted to moving hunks identified
> by a diff tool. In Magit a chunk can just as easily be an arbitrary
> marked region.
>
> When I demo Magit for my colleagues they immediately get excited.
> It makes it clear that fostering a patch series culture need not be
> a pipe dream.
>
> To date I am unaware of any other tool on any platform offering
> similar functionality.
>
> Were an emacs user to ask me to suggest a package (s)he should use
> to interact with git I would always plug Magit. Not that I would
> discourage learning VC. Clearly (as Raman has explained) VC has a
> role. Magit though alters how one thinks about presenting one's
> coding efforts to the greater world.
>
> /john6¤6
>
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Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-07-05 15:29 In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit (was: comparing code on different branches) John Yates
2017-07-05 16:15 ` Kaushal Modi
2017-07-05 16:22 ` In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit Óscar Fuentes
2017-07-05 16:27 ` Kaushal Modi
2017-07-05 16:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-05 18:15 ` Óscar Fuentes
2017-07-05 23:03 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-06 0:24 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-07-06 1:46 ` Glenn Morris
2017-07-06 2:17 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-07-10 9:26 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-06 2:29 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-14 14:34 ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-07-16 1:51 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-06 1:50 ` Glenn Morris
2017-07-06 14:12 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-06 14:47 ` Kaushal Modi
2017-07-06 17:11 ` Óscar Fuentes
2017-07-06 16:02 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-06 16:52 ` Ken Manheimer
2017-07-07 18:23 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-07 18:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-07 22:08 ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-07 22:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-08 6:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-08 6:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-08 9:05 ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-08 10:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-08 20:34 ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-09 2:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-10 9:28 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 13:15 ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-11 11:45 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-08 17:04 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-08 20:52 ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-10 9:30 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-08 17:02 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 9:26 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 12:47 ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-10 23:26 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11 9:40 ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-11 22:56 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 23:27 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 16:31 ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-07-10 23:30 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11 4:20 ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-07-11 11:48 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-06 23:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-07 18:27 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-07 18:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-08 17:01 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-08 17:42 ` raman
2017-07-08 18:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-08 20:57 ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-08 22:57 ` John Yates
2017-07-09 0:04 ` raman [this message]
2017-07-09 9:25 ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-07-09 14:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-10 1:01 ` In defense of VC [was: In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit] Juliusz Chroboczek
2017-07-10 7:09 ` Michael Albinus
2017-07-10 8:34 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-07-10 8:47 ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2017-07-10 8:59 ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-10 16:28 ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-07-10 17:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-16 18:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-16 19:09 ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-07-16 19:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-10 23:26 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11 4:15 ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-07-11 11:48 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11 14:10 ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-07-11 14:27 ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2017-07-11 22:56 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-11 16:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-11 7:10 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-07-11 7:26 ` Michael Albinus
2017-07-11 22:55 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 9:29 ` In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 16:32 ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-07-10 23:30 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11 4:14 ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-07-06 15:24 ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-10 9:26 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 13:09 ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-11 11:45 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-05 16:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-05 18:37 ` Ingo Lohmar
2017-07-05 18:14 ` In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit (was: comparing code on different branches) Noam Postavsky
2017-07-06 5:06 ` Paul Michael Reilly
2017-07-06 8:46 ` In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit Toon Claes
2017-07-07 1:38 ` Mike Gerwitz
2017-07-07 8:16 ` Trying out GitLab (was Re: In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit) Nicolas Petton
2017-07-07 8:27 ` Tino Calancha
2017-07-07 8:29 ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-07 12:08 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-08 11:02 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2017-07-08 11:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-08 11:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-08 12:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-08 21:02 ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-08 23:19 ` Tim Cross
2017-07-08 12:43 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2017-07-08 12:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-08 11:29 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-07 16:55 ` Mike Gerwitz
2017-07-07 18:23 ` In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit Richard Stallman
2017-07-07 18:23 ` In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit (was: comparing code on different branches) Richard Stallman
2017-07-13 16:13 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2017-07-14 1:20 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-14 18:24 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2017-07-14 3:31 ` In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit Stefan Monnier
2017-07-14 18:09 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2017-07-14 7:14 ` git-handler.el (was: In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit) Michael Albinus
2017-07-14 17:57 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2017-08-11 10:26 ` git-handler.el Michael Albinus
2017-08-12 10:48 ` git-handler.el Jonas Bernoulli
2017-08-12 12:01 ` git-handler.el Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-12 17:26 ` git-handler.el Jonas Bernoulli
2017-08-12 17:43 ` git-handler.el Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-12 19:32 ` git-handler.el Michael Albinus
2017-08-12 18:22 ` git-handler.el John Wiegley
2017-08-12 18:28 ` git-handler.el Michael Albinus
2017-08-12 19:52 ` git-handler.el Jonas Bernoulli
2017-08-13 9:26 ` git-handler.el Michael Albinus
2017-08-12 19:17 ` git-handler.el Michael Albinus
2017-08-12 19:46 ` git-handler.el Yuri Khan
2017-08-13 9:14 ` git-handler.el Michael Albinus
2017-08-13 10:08 ` git-handler.el Yuri Khan
2017-08-13 14:31 ` git-handler.el Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-13 15:08 ` git-handler.el Yuri Khan
2017-08-13 15:26 ` git-handler.el Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-14 16:42 ` git-handler.el Michael Albinus
2017-08-14 16:40 ` git-handler.el Michael Albinus
2017-07-10 16:16 ` In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit (was: comparing code on different branches) Filipe Silva
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