From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: raman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Concurrency, again Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 08:24:42 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87wq97i78i.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <86k2dk77w6.fsf@molnjunk.nocrew.org> <9D64B8EA-DB52-413D-AE6A-264416C391F3@iotcl.com> <83int1g0s5.fsf@gnu.org> <83twckekqq.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1476286522 9965 195.159.176.226 (12 Oct 2016 15:35:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 15:35:22 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 12 17:35:18 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1buLYj-000101-QQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2016 17:35:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34251 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1buLYk-0003ib-4j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2016 11:35:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54863) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1buLVW-0002P7-Cr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2016 11:31:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1buLVR-0007NH-DQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2016 11:31:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pf0-x22e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22e]:35701) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1buLVR-0007N0-6C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2016 11:31:45 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pf0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id s8so20113107pfj.2 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2016 08:31:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=FtK6QHW0pIZRXFon4VzU/ipwzUIWFnYzbGqGlVVgZGQ=; b=GdA2XRTJc/NPFYCjZwVf7XViFd9iwY0TvfPASRR37Hd7tjL+WdHSQ4+U0uCDR4MK76 2gzXhtS9WXWl0GyNsf16K8z4uauIeiQE4j2RYbNZvV4/ayD8XfjKM6HvYXM1k1CCSKyh 5UWjyX8uhKNjLA1KyIGzU77tvBNBcPrEORz7OTAbdI6HJc971NMVHMbFlfxHFOrRJj7p YqjLl+sDRgKSYQAK4zje4X4VjdyJJn8qHXD3y33bK2qicIybGhV5SiPdCk/YFlgKRHih yAsq+fEv873qy2JQqTep+HWSUV/ZdJHNpgSzlHknQSheQK1L2fSR85RgUx+gDX9mH4NX kbkw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=FtK6QHW0pIZRXFon4VzU/ipwzUIWFnYzbGqGlVVgZGQ=; b=fYmt/VW722rIYuf7ruw1Q/lKMLY4ZSJRbKIctb/i1BJ4QF4bWMvdMTXY/xkTSd0r/W 8mq7c5BiwLOw3bGZKlpMkk8tabD+jrrLj4PnkJ4PzEwr7CkHVVUXYkU49QdcH9fiTXhT /ruxhPjc2hscj1Rmi9R/ntN4jxe2bhWUnY+a1a905brzzqsNwNR/NvUssb9VQ39lGUOf zIK6ZZCgFnx8MF1/N9E/+MzFWbHCVSkjOVsKrOg8yzbHHYyD4BkfiyUYLCls5oFQ3jB2 eM9jTjysK1SxYY8qwcISbGNXRyl3PnwV3EVSfXWmgItJzSQdKnY/KUJSO89KNfvbVh3r q2zQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9Rl4LM/ltAp4y8tmHTDgJ5HJNvefJX+b7nTxJQnF37mq1ibIihw39fkjSuj+O3MqC9eK X-Received: by 10.98.150.137 with SMTP id s9mr2551903pfk.135.1476285886855; Wed, 12 Oct 2016 08:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from raman-glaptop2 ([207.198.106.187]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e4sm12609453pas.21.2016.10.12.08.24.44 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 12 Oct 2016 08:24:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 12 Oct 2016 08:47:59 -0400") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208176 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: Perhaps a first good step might be to cut over the core elisp modules to use lexical-binding: t and fix any/all warnings that the compiler reports. >>> I think it needs more than just a little work. I spoke to Tom on the >>> phone last year, and we both agreed it's not a foregone conclusion >>> that that branch represents the right way of approaching concurrency >>> for an application like Emacs. >> We will never know if we don't try it. > > I tend to agree that it's probably not The Right Way. > But I also don't think that The Right Way is anywhere within sight. > Maybe 20 years from now the situation will have changed sufficiently > that something else can be considered, but for now The Right Way > involves something close to a complete rewrite, AFAIK. > > IOW, I completely agree with Eli: we should fix the few remaining > issues with the concurrency branch and merge it into master. > > > tefan > > --